Thoughts on the bay/black foal?

belambi · Postby **belambi** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:41 pm

http://www.kznbreeders.co.za/News05122011.html

going4stamina · Postby **going4stamina** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:57 pm

chimera?

summerhorse · Postby **summerhorse** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:59 pm

Cute, she'd have to be tested to find out one way or the other. Is it a somatic mutation when the "bay/restriction" part is turned off in some areas which are then black?

summerhorse · Postby **summerhorse** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:01 pm

Wait her dam is grey. This could also be one of those wacky grey things too. The black on her is really black, not baby black!

Nobody noticed the new white foal who appears to be a brand new line of DW? Both parents are minimally marked bays.

xfactor fan · Postby **xfactor fan** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:11 am

How neat. Would be great if it were a new Agouti mutation.

And yes, it looks like the white foals is also a new DW mutation.

Nerd · Postby **Nerd** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:35 am

I'll bet that the foal will gray out. But how? This will be interesting...

belambi · Postby **belambi** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:46 am

The white foal is this one here
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... ht=#284070

HeadlessHorseman · Postby **HeadlessHorseman** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:42 pm

Well they better pull hair from BOTH ENDS :wink:

He's pretty cute...

HH

Derby Lyn · Postby **Derby Lyn** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:29 pm

I wonder if the grey foal will have those blood marks? Do those usually show up on them at this age?

summerhorse · Postby **summerhorse** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:50 pm

Not yet. The back part could just be sunfaded I suppose... But if the front part is grey the back part could be the result of the "go grey" gene being turned off for some reason (which is differnt from a blood mark). The not grey would not change at all while the front would grey out as normal. Usually these types of horses have smaller "patches" but I guess there are no real rules. Barring them testing, we'll just have to wait and see.

accphotography · Postby **accphotography** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:34 pm

That's a somatic mutation. That is a very common location and color for them.

xfactor fan · Postby **xfactor fan** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:44 pm

Chimeras usually look brindle, with the embryo fusion happening early, so that the resulting horse is a mix of the two siblings. This looks more like a Sci-Fi experiment, where two different horses were spliced together.

The front half, back half color is a little odd, and has me thinking an interruption of the Agouti "Push the color to the edges" process. Sadly the normal bay end is where the reproductive part of the horse lives, so it may not breed true. Ditto it it is gray, what odd process would activate the gray gene in only the front half of the horse? Leaving that clear dipped in paint look?

Well worth keeping an eye on.

HeadlessHorseman · Postby **HeadlessHorseman** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:05 am

Can they get a better picture of this filly???? DON'T they know we want to see HER FACE????? :wink:

I'd like to see if she has the grey goggles....

HH