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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:22 pm 
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Can you find a superior-racing gray sire with a higher number
of superior-racing gray male ancestors within his first 5 generations
without repeating inbred names?

Here is my candidate:

SIBERIAN SUMMER (Gray H 1989) http://www.pedigreequery.com/siberian+summer

He is carrying:

01. SIBERIAN EXPRESS
02. CARO
03. FORTINO
04. GREY SOVEREIGN
05. WARFARE
06. DETERMINE
07. ICECAPADE
08. NATIVE DANCER

Can we find a name with more than eight (8) sources?


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Jorge wrote:
Can we find a name with more than eight (8) sources?


Found a new case with more grays. Nine!

FLY TILL DAWN (gray H 1986)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/fly+till+dawn

01. Swing Till Dawn
02. Grey Dawn
03. Carwhite
04. Caro
05. Fortino
06. Grey Sovereign
07. Palestine
08. The Axe II
09. Mahmoud

Any attempt to break the record?


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Wow, if we looking for the female counterpart of our subject query, this surely looks like a winner. Her name is SWING IN SATIN and she is also a stakes winner. Take a look:

SWING IN SATIN (Gray M 1999) http://www.pedigreequery.com/swing+in+satin

She is carrying like a "dream team" of gray ancestors:

01. SIBERIAN SUMMER
02. SIBERIAN EXPRESS
03. CARO
04. FORTINO
05. GREY SOVEREIGN
06. WARFARE
07. DETERMINE
08. ICECAPADE
09. NATIVE DANCER
10. SWING TILL DAWN
11. GREY DAWN II
12. THE AXE II
13. MAHMOUD

(p.s. Image crossing her with SENOR SWINGER :D )


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Any other participants?
Where are the gray enthusiasts?


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Keep finding. I was told last month that Siberian Summer has been pensioned.


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Jorge wrote:
Any other participants?
Where are the gray enthusiasts?


Here... but I'm woefully ignorant. :(

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Here are a few - not sure if they fit your criteria of best gray ancestors, though. I started by looking for grays with both parents gray, since that automatically gives you 10 horses.

Mekko Hokte (2000) - 21 grey ancestors, 17 unique horses.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/mekko+hokte

Holy Bull, Sharon Brown, Al Hattab, Agathea's Dawn, The Axe, Abyssinia, Grey Dawn, Mahmoud, Abernant, Polamia (10)

Aerosilver, Relaunch, Silver in Flight, Foggy Note, Silver Series The Axe, Silver Song, Cat Hat, Mahmoud, Beadah, Michiquita (11)

Wild Fit (2003-2006) 18 unique horses.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/wild+fit

Wild Wonder, Carol's Wonder, Pass the Tab, Al Hattab, Dantina, The Axe, Abyssinia, Gray Phantom. (8)

Grannie's Feather, At Full Feather, Gran Emotion, Spectacular Bid, Gran Zar, Spectacular, Tap the Till, Promised Land, Native Charger, Roan Beauty. (10)

Thomas Jo (1995) 16 unique horses.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/thomas+jo

Strong Performance, Jig Time, Extra Alarm, Native Dancer, Kanace, Blazing Count, Geisha, Kanlast, Obedient, Miyako, Last Light, Mahmoud. (12)

Advancette, Iron Constitution, Iron Ruler, Obedient, Mahmoud (5)

I'll keep looking.


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This is female stakes winner, MEKKO HOKTE’s status:

01. HOLY BULL
02. RELAUNCH
03. AL HATTAB
04. SILVER SERIES
05. THE AXE II (2)
06. GREY DAWN II
07. MAHMOUD (2)
08. ABERNANT


This is female stakes winner, WILD FIT’s status:

01. WILD WONDER
02. AT FULL FEATHER
03. ICECAPADE
04. PASS THE TAB
05. SPECTACULAR BID
06. GRAN ZAR
07. AL HATTAB
08. NATIVE DANCER
09. THE AXE II
10. GRAY PHANTOM
11. PROMISED LAND
12. NATIVE CHARGER

This is male stakes winner, THOMAS JO’s status: (But he is a gelding)

01. STRONG PERFORMANCE
02. JIG TIME
03. IRON CONSTITUTION
04. NATIVE DANCER
05. BLAZING COUNT
06. IRON RULER
07. MAHMOUD (2)


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aethervox wrote:


Mekko Hokte
Wild Fit
Thomas Jo
I'll keep looking.


Thank you very much for your valuable watch.
Thanks to your posting I realized that Wild Fit full brother,
sire FUSAICHI ROCK STAR can be studied whenever he is
crossed with another grey mate. Thats exactly what I did with his progeny and found his son

HESUPINTHESMOKE http://www.pedigreequery.com/hesupinthesmoke
He is not a stakes winner yet but I will keep looking.


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This is gelding HE”SUPINTHESMOKE’s status: (But he is a gelding and not a stakes winner, which means that he can't hold the record)
Anyway, lets analize his case just in case a future gray full brother of him appears.

01. FUSAICHI ROCK STAR
02. SMOKE GLACKEN
03. AT FULL FEATHER
04. TWO PUNCH
05. ICECAPADE
06. PASS THE TAB
07. SPECTACULAR BID
08. GRAN ZAR
09. AL HATTAB
10. GREY DAWN

So, the entire stakes winner, FLY TILL DAWN
still prevails until now with 9 satkes winner.
But it seems to me that a future gray entire stakes
winner by FUSAICHI ROCK STAR may establish a new
record. Lets hope.


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Jorge wrote:
Jorge wrote:
Can we find a name with more than eight (8) sources?


Found a new case with more grays. Nine!

FLY TILL DAWN (gray H 1986)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/fly+till+dawn

01. Swing Till Dawn
02. Grey Dawn
03. Carwhite
04. Caro
05. Fortino
06. Grey Sovereign
07. Palestine
08. The Axe II
09. Mahmoud

Any attempt to break the record?


NEW RECORD HOLDER AMONG MALES!
HIS NAME IS:
FUSAICHI ROCK STAR http://www.pedigreequery.com/fusaichi+rock+star
He is carrying gray-male stakes winning doses from:

01 Native Charger
02 Promised Land
03 Gray Phantom
04 The Axe II
05 Native Dancer
06 Al Hattab
07 Icecapade
08 Pass The Tab
09 Spectacular Bid
10 Gran Zar
11 At Full Feather
12 Wild Wonder

I guess that since this pedigree is lacking
several mainstream gray names such as Holy Bull, El Prado,
Monarchos, Caro, Relaunch and a few others, a new
record-holder can be easily assembled by merely finding a son of
FUSAICHI ROCK STAR carrying several of these grays.


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Not a record breaker but she is carying
a good bunch of qualifying gray male ancestors:

BEYOND POWER (gray f 2009) http://www.pedigreequery.com/beyond+power

01. STORMY RIVER
02. VERGLAS
03. HIGHEST HONOR
04. KENMARE
05. KALAMOUN
06. LINAMIX
07. MENDEZ
08. BELLYPHA
09. SILVER SHARK


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Again, “not-a-record-breaker” but this one is also carrying a good bunch of qualifying gray male ancestors. Plus he is an emerging juvenile.

UNDER REVIEW (gray colt 2010) http://www.pedigreequery.com/under+review3

01. Even the Score
02. Unbridled’s Song
03. Relaunch
04. Caro
05. Dancer’s Image
06. Fortino
07. The Axe II
08. Native Dancer


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The record holder is still FUSAICHI ROCK STAR with 12 cases, but take a look at this case with 11:

Siberian Punch (Gray H 2007) http://www.pedigreequery.com/siberian+punch

01. Siberian Summer
02. Siberian Express
03. Two Punch
04. Caro
05. Icecapade
06. Fortino
07. Warfare
08. Grey Dawn
09. Grey Sovereign
10. Determine
11. Native Dancer


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LINDA REGINA is not going to break SWING IN SATIN’s record of 13 superior gray male ancestors, for a mare, but certainly sufficient combo of gray males in 5 generations:

LINDA REGINA (gray m 2001) http://www.pedigreequery.com/linda+regina


01. Linamix
02. Mendez
03. Highest Honor
04. Bellypha
05. Kenmare
06. Caro
07. Kalamoun
08. Abernant
09. Zeddaan
10. Native Dancer


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