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New mutation. Probably Dominant White. Which is a series of different mutations that are all lumped in as one. Each DW founder has a different KIT mutation, and probably should have completely different names, not just DW1, DW2, and so on.
Not related to the gray mutation. Breeding DW's to gray doesn't give you a whiter horse.

Now that folks are more educated about the existence of DW, more foals are surviving, and not being put down right after birth, as is the case with lethal white foals. And this isn't a shot against vets. The kindest thing that can be done for a lethal white foal is a quick painless death.

TheDW mutation seems to happen quite a lot. Just in TB's there seems to be a new mutation showing up every 4-5 years. This doesn't count DW's bred from existing DW horses.

Jorge do you have a list of white horse founders along with their birth year?


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xfactor fan wrote:
Jorge do you have a list of white horse founders along with their birth year?


Here is a partial list of my registered work:

01. WHITE CROSS (WHITE HORSE 1896)
02. UNNAMED WHITE CASE (1914)
03. WOHER? (WHITE MARE 1925)
04. RACHEL VI (WHITE MARE 1959)
05. MONT BLANC (WHITE HORSE 1963)
06. WAR COLORS (WHITE HORSE 1963)
07. WHITE BEAUTY (WHITE MARE 1963)
08. GLACIAL (WHITE MARE 1966)
09. FLAUBERT (WHITE GELDING 1968)
10. MIASMIC (WHITE HORSE 1971)
11. UNNAMED WHITE CASE (WHITE MARE 1974)
12. ATALIQUE (WHITE GELDING 1975)
13. PURCIL (WHITE GELDING 1975)
14. CLARENCE STEWART (WHITE HORSE 1977)
15. HAKU TAIYU (WHITE HORSE 1979)
16. KAMINO WHITE (WHITE MARE 1983)
17. GRAND ESPOIR BLANC (WHITE GELDING 1984)
18. BETWEEN SHOWERS (WHITE GELDING 1984)
19. NOT QUITE WHITE (WHITE MARE 1989)
20. TWIST AND SHOUT (WHITE HORSE 1990)
21. THE BRIDE (WHITE MARE 1991)
22. OUR WHITE LADY (WHITE MARE 1991)
23. SHIRAYUKIHIME (WHITE MARE 1996)
24. WHITE PEGASUS (WHITE HORSE 1998)
25. PRINCE OF SNOWDEN (WHITE HORSE 1999)
26. DIRECTS UNIQUE ONE (WHITE HORSE 2001)
27. LAUGHYOUMAY (WHITE MARE 2001)
28. LEGALLY WHITE (WHITE MARE 2002)
29. LEGAL OPINION -- THERESA’S DELIGHT (WHITE MARE 2004)
30. MARUMATSU LIVE (WHITE MARE 2004)
31. TURF CLUB (WHITE MARE 2005)
32. REVOQUE – STAGE DEBUT (WHITE HORSE 2005)
33. CHET D.T. (WHITE HORSE 2005)
34. ZABEEL – CARMINA BURANA (WHITE MARE 2006)
35. SELECT SNOW SQUAW (White Mare 1990)
36. ARTIC SQUAW (WHITE MARE 1991)
37. TOSA POHAWEA (WHITE HORSE 1992)
38. ARTIC COLOR (WHITE MARE 1993)
39. NEON NATIVE (WHITE HORSE 1994)
40. TRICKED (White Horse 1995)
41. SHEW (White Mare 1996)
42. PUNZ (WHITE MARE 1996)
43. PADRAMA (White Mare 1996)
44. TATTOO ARTIST (WHITE HORSE 2007)
45. MYSWEETESTDOWNFALL (WHITE MARE 2007)
46. ARCTIC WHITE (WHITE HORSE 1999)
47. SILVER MYSTIQUE (WHITE MARE 1999)
48. SNOW BABY GO (WHITE MARE 1999)
49. SILVER N CIN (WHITE MARE 2000)
50. SILVER ANGEL EYES (WHITE MARE 2000)
51. ALLAMYSTIQUE (WHITE HORSE 2001)
52. ARCTICANNA (WHITE MARE 2001)
53. SILVER EXCHANGE (WHITE HORSE 2001)
54. ARCTIC VICE (WHITE HORSE 2002)
55. SILVERLITE J.C. (WHITE MARE 2002)
56. ARCTIC NORTH (WHITE HORSE 2003)
57. ARCTIC O’ REILLY (WHITE HORSE 2005)
58. PAINT THE CAT (WHITE HORSE 2002)
59. RUBIANA LACE (WHITE MARE 2002)
60. ALL GLORY TO GOD (WHITE HORSE 2003)
61. SILVER BOOT DANCER (WHITE MARE 2003)
62. ALADIN SNOWDANCER (WHITE MARE 2003)
63. ARCTIC CIELO (WHITE HORSE 2003)
64. ARCTIC SPIRIT (WHITE HORSE 2003)
65. BEXX BADD BOYY (WHITE HORSE 2003)
66. ARCTIC GOLD J.C. (WHITE HORSE 2004)
67. JUSTA WHITE LIE (WHITE HORSE 2004)
68. ARCTIC COOL (WHITE HORSE 2005)
69. ARCTIC STYLE (WHITE HORSE 2005)
70. ARCTIC MYSTIQUE (WHITE HORSE 2007)
71. AIRDRIE APACHE – SAN GABRIEL SPIRIT (WHITE . MARE 2006)
72. PUCHIS RAMBO (WHITE HORSE 1993)
73. PUCHI DOLL (WHITE MARE 1997)
74. IROQUOIS PRIESTESS (WHITE MARE 2005)
75. CLOUD TEN (WHITE HORSE 2005)
76. SAND CASTLE (WHITE HORSE 2006)
77. WHITE PHARAOH (WHITE HORSE 2007)
78. SNOW WHITE (WHITE MARE 2007)
79. THE WHITE (WHITE HORSE 2001)
80. SILVERELLA (WHITE MARE 2001)
81. AIR TO APACHE -- GO MARGO (WHITE HORSE 2008)
82. MADAME BLANCHE (WHITE MARE 2005)
83. HIGH RAIL CURIOUS (WHITE HORSE 2004)
84. PDF SNOW DRIFT (WHITE MARE 2008)
85. INDY ARCTIC CAT (WHITE HORSE 2008)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:59 pm 
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Never mind. I read it wrong. I thought those were all founding mutations, but they're not.

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I was just going to post about him... :)

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Here's a first pass of Jorge's list. Best guess on where the mutation came from



01. WHITE CROSS (WHITE HORSE 1896) Original mutation
02. UNNAMED WHITE CASE (1914)
03. WOHER? (WHITE MARE 1925) Original mutation
04. RACHEL VI (WHITE MARE 1959) Possible original mutation, possibly her sire.
05. MONT BLANC (WHITE HORSE 1963) Original mutation
06. WAR COLORS (WHITE HORSE 1963) Sired by KY Colonel Dominant white; progenitor of the W2 bloodline.
07. WHITE BEAUTY (WHITE MARE 1963) Sired by KY Colonel Dominant white; progenitor of the W2 bloodline.
08. GLACIAL (WHITE MARE 1966) Original Mutation
09. FLAUBERT (WHITE GELDING 1968) Possible original mutation
10. MIASMIC (WHITE HORSE 1971) Original mutation
11. UNNAMED WHITE CASE (WHITE MARE 1974)
12. ATALIQUE (WHITE GELDING 1975) Possible original mutation
13. PURCIL (WHITE GELDING 1975) Possible original mutation
14. CLARENCE STEWART (WHITE HORSE 1977) Possible original mutation
15. HAKU TAIYU (WHITE HORSE 1979) Original Mutation
16. KAMINO WHITE (WHITE MARE 1983) Original Mutation
17. GRAND ESPOIR BLANC (WHITE GELDING 1984) Original Mutation
18. BETWEEN SHOWERS (WHITE GELDING 1984) Original Mutation
19. NOT QUITE WHITE (WHITE MARE 1989) Original Mutation
20. TWIST AND SHOUT (WHITE HORSE 1990) Possible original mutation
21. THE BRIDE (WHITE MARE 1991) Original Mutation
22. OUR WHITE LADY (WHITE MARE 1991) Original Mutation
23. SHIRAYUKIHIME (WHITE MARE 1996) Original Mutation
24. WHITE PEGASUS (WHITE HORSE 1998) Original Mutation
25. PRINCE OF SNOWDEN (WHITE HORSE 1999) Original Mutation
26. DIRECTS UNIQUE ONE (WHITE HORSE 2001) Original Mutation
27. LAUGHYOUMAY (WHITE MARE 2001) Original Mutation
28. LEGALLY WHITE (WHITE MARE 2002) Original Mutation
29. LEGAL OPINION -- THERESA’S DELIGHT (WHITE MARE 2004) not found
30. MARUMATSU LIVE (WHITE MARE 2004) Original Mutation
31. TURF CLUB (WHITE MARE 2005) Original Mutation
32. REVOQUE – STAGE DEBUT (WHITE HORSE 2005) not found
33. CHET D.T. (WHITE HORSE 2005) Puchilingui line mutation
34. ZABEEL – CARMINA BURANA (WHITE MARE 2006) Original Mutation
35. SELECT SNOW SQUAW (White Mare 1990) Puchilingui line mutation
36. ARTIC SQUAW (WHITE MARE 1991) Puchilingui line mutation
37. TOSA POHAWEA (WHITE HORSE 1992) Puchilingui line mutation
38. ARTIC COLOR (WHITE MARE 1993) ) Puchilingui line mutation
39. NEON NATIVE (WHITE HORSE 1994) Puchilingui line mutation
40. TRICKED (White Horse 1995) Puchilingui line mutation
41. SHEW (White Mare 1996) Puchilingui line mutation
42. PUNZ (WHITE MARE 1996) Puchilingui line mutation
43. PADRAMA (White Mare 1996) Puchilingui line mutation
44. TATTOO ARTIST (WHITE HORSE 2007) Puchilingui line mutation
45. MYSWEETESTDOWNFALL (WHITE MARE 2007) Puchilingui line mutation
46. ARCTIC WHITE (WHITE HORSE 1999) Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
47. SILVER MYSTIQUE (WHITE MARE 1999) Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
48. SNOW BABY GO (WHITE MARE 1999) Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
49. SILVER N CIN (WHITE MARE 2000) Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
50. SILVER ANGEL EYES (WHITE MARE 2000) Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
51. ALLAMYSTIQUE (WHITE HORSE 2001) Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
52. ARCTICANNA (WHITE MARE 2001) Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
53. SILVER EXCHANGE (WHITE HORSE 2001) Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
54. ARCTIC VICE (WHITE HORSE 2002) Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
55. SILVERLITE J.C. (WHITE MARE 2002)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
56. ARCTIC NORTH (WHITE HORSE 2003) Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
57. ARCTIC O’ REILLY (WHITE HORSE 2005
58. PAINT THE CAT (WHITE HORSE 2002)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
59. RUBIANA LACE (WHITE MARE 2002)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
60. ALL GLORY TO GOD (WHITE HORSE 2003)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
61. SILVER BOOT DANCER (WHITE MARE 2003)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
62. ALADIN SNOWDANCER (WHITE MARE 2003)
63. ARCTIC CIELO (WHITE HORSE 2003)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
64. ARCTIC SPIRIT (WHITE HORSE 2003)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
65. BEXX BADD BOYY (WHITE HORSE 2003)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
66. ARCTIC GOLD J.C. (WHITE HORSE 2004)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache - Arctic White
67. JUSTA WHITE LIE (WHITE HORSE 2004)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache -
68. ARCTIC COOL (WHITE HORSE 2005)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache - Aladin Dancer
69. ARCTIC STYLE (WHITE HORSE 2005)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache - Aladin Dancer. Possible mutation from dam, Dotties Valentine
70. ARCTIC MYSTIQUE (WHITE HORSE 2007)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
71. AIRDRIE APACHE – SAN GABRIEL SPIRIT (WHITE . MARE 2006)
72. PUCHIS RAMBO (WHITE HORSE 1993) Puchilingui line mutation
73. PUCHI DOLL (WHITE MARE 1997)Puchilingui line mutation
74. IROQUOIS PRIESTESS (WHITE MARE 2005) Puchilingui line mutation via Wild by Design
75. CLOUD TEN (WHITE HORSE 2005)Puchilingui line mutation via Sato
76. SAND CASTLE (WHITE HORSE 2006) This isn't registered as a TB according to equinline. There is a 2008 Sand Castle bay colt by footstepsinthe sand, out of a Argentine mare.
77. WHITE PHARAOH (WHITE HORSE 2007) Puchilingui line mutation via Sato
78. SNOW WHITE (WHITE MARE 2007) unable to locate
79. THE WHITE (WHITE HORSE 2001)Original mutation
80. SILVERELLA (WHITE MARE 2001)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
81. AIR TO APACHE -- GO MARGO (WHITE HORSE 2008)
82. MADAME BLANCHE (WHITE MARE 2005 )Original mutation
83. HIGH RAIL CURIOUS (WHITE HORSE 2004)GLACIAL line mutation
84. PDF SNOW DRIFT (WHITE MARE 2008)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache
85. INDY ARCTIC CAT (WHITE HORSE 2008)Not Quite White line via Airdrie Apache


Whats the current info on Airdrie Apache? Is he a DW, or something else?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:22 pm 
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He's DW, they just haven't been able to isolate his mutation yet.

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I have a "fun" question....This guy is in Texas...and is 5 hours away from me...just for $htis and grins...what would happen if I bred my DW to him?????

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Which DW do you have? And are you talking about Airdrie Apache?


There are several possibilities. If your mare is from AA, then she would be DWx, same as AA. And then what happens depends on if this version of DW is lethal in the early stages of development. If it is NOT, then you have the standard 1:2:1 split. 1 solid, 2 that have one copy of the DW gene, and 1 that has two copies of the DW gene. If this version of DW IS lethal, then the double copy drops out--they don't live to implant, 1 solid, two with one copy.

If your mare is from another DW line, then you could have the above chances, but potentially end up with a live foal that has one copy of two different DW genes. Like a cremello carries two copies of the cream gene.

I don't think anyone knows how the different versions of DW interact. There might be versions that aren't embryonic lethals, or aren't with selected other DW's.
The information from the White Horse Ranch folks, not DW TB lines, indicate that their version works like most roans--double copies don't survive to implant.


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Her DW is from Puchilingui, not AA.

At this time it is unknown. So far we have not tracked any DWs who were bred to other DWs outside their line. It likely depends on which exons of KIT the individual mutations modify. Puchilingui's line is one that modifies less than some other lines so it could be possible. It depends on which exons are modified with DUO's mutation. IMO the worst case scenario is that if the embryo doesn't inherit both DW and they are not compatible she slips very early or the fetus never even implants (heartbeat check at 25 days would show no fetus or a degrading one). You should have no concerns about a foal that dies after birth as in lethal white overo. That won't happen with KIT mutations. Not knowing what DUO's specific mutation is it's hard to say what your chances are, but I think it would be well worth the chance in this case.

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There are other whites too, mostly tovero whites or just whites that result from carrying too many white patterns (mostly in paints of course) and unfortunately a lot of those were probably put down when they were born when the owner and vet thought they were sparing it a slow death. Test, test, test!!! And if not, at least wait and see if it gets sick! I don't know how long the test takes now, maybe they can rush one through.

Imagine how many DW foals have been knocked in the head in the past?

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Most of the breeders I know that have ever had a question if one was lethal or not have just had an ultrasound done. Quicker than trying to test.

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Thanks...I was just really thinking out loud....I am afraid of DW and would or will freak out when a foal comes out like that....

Yes, my mare is not from AA

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