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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:09 pm 
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Here is a curious list for those of you who enjoy doing some research!

Please include 21st century non-grey stakes winners whose immediate parents (sire and dam)
were both greys. Here are various names:

01. Unbridled’s Note (Bay c 2009) http://www.pedigreequery.com/unbridleds+note
02. Mucho Macho Man (Bay c 2008) http://www.pedigreequery.com/mucho+macho+man
03. Cozze Up Lady (Bay filly 2009) http://www.pedigreequery.com/cozze+up+lady


Please include 20st century non-grey stakes winners whose immediate parents (sire and dam)
were both greys. Here are various names:

01. Aloma Ruler (Dark By or Brown c 1979) http://www.pedigreequery.com/alomas+ruler
02. Cherokee Run (Dark By or Brown c 1990) http://www.pedigreequery.com/cherokee+run


If you come across additional name please post them!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:01 pm 
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Jorge - Here are a few more.

20th Century
Latero (1938) b. - Stayer x La Gris http://www.pedigreequery.com/latero

Lady Tamara (1981) b. - Kenmare (1975) x High Run (1975) http://www.pedigreequery.com/lady+tamara2

21st Century
Rebridled Dreams (2000) b. - Unbridled's Song (1993) x Key Cents (1993) http://www.pedigreequery.com/rebridled+dreams

Strong Contender (2003) ch. - Maria's Mon (1993) x Kopenhagen (1997) http://www.pedigreequery.com/strong+contender3

Timarwa (2004) b. - Daylami (1994) x Timarida (1992) http://www.pedigreequery.com/timarwa

Flashy Dresser (2009) ch. - Flashy Bull (2003) x Saltnvinegar (2002) - http://www.pedigreequery.com/flashy+dresser

Stakes placed (but he's only 3):
My Name is Michael (2010) dkb/br. - Macho Uno (1998) x Graciously Soft (2005) http://www.pedigreequery.com/my+name+is+michael


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The parents must be heterozygous grey, that is the only way. Crossing two hetero. grey horses results in a 3/1 phenotype, the horse having 1/4 chance of being non-grey and 3/4 chance expressing grey (be it GG, or Gg genotype). It happens every now and then, perhaps luckily. Many people don't like grey in their bloodlines because it tends to 'mask' the undercoat in this dull color, be it red or black, resulting in the same old grey. Grey is acts like the dilution (creme) gene (both are 'masking' genes); though the dilution genes at least result in a change of color (cremello, perlino, champagne, buckskin, palomino...ect), whereas grey usually stays the same despite the undercoat and is always just called and seen as 'grey'.

It happens, but it isn't common. For racers, greys are sometimes preferred, and I'm rather fond of them myself, but for color breeders, grey is usually avoided due to its dull affect.


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MattieCat,

Thank you so much for your valuable participation and useful explanation.
Great! :D

Here is a new case someone just informed me:

DELAUNAY (Bay g 2007) http://www.pedigreequery.com/delaunay2


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Regally-bred auspicious candidate. Who knows if he manages to become one.

AKZHAL (dkbbr c 2011)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/akzhal


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Apropos MUCHO MACHO MAN ---who qualifies under this thread!

The following article from the Blood Horse:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... -keeneland

states that PONCHE DE LEONA
has produced a full brother to MUCHO MACHO MAN and a yearling half brother by the also grey, Tapit.

Can someone provide information on the coat color of these two younger brothers? Since MUCHO MACHO MAN's immediate parents are greys, it seems quite probable that on this occasion this full brother is grey. In the case of the Tapit colt the odds are also running in favor of a grey.

Thanks in advance for any information on their coat colors.


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PONCHE DE LEONA (Hip 692): http://apps.keeneland.com/sales/Jan14/pdfs/692.pdf


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Hi everyone,

In Aethervox's post there is Lady Tamara. Her dam High Run was a nice racehorse, placed in Dutch classic races, but nothing special. A friend of mine, great lady racehorse trainer told me many years ago she couln't understand it that this filly (Lady Tamara) was doing so well in France. But Kenmare of course was an outstanding stallion, he improved his stock.

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erins isle wrote:
Hi everyone,

In Aethervox's post there is Lady Tamara. Her dam High Run was a nice racehorse, placed in Dutch classic races, but nothing special. A friend of mine, great lady racehorse trainer told me many years ago she couln't understand it that this filly (Lady Tamara) was doing so well in France. But Kenmare of course was an outstanding stallion, he improved his stock.



Here is another good example of a solid color Thorougbred
(non grey in colour) coming from a pair of immediate grey parents.

LADY TAMARA (bay m 1981) http://www.pedigreequery.com/lady+tamara2


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Here is another one. On this occasion, from the early 1960s:

RATTLE DANCER (Chestnut h 1959) http://www.pedigreequery.com/rattle+dancer


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A talented stakes winner very promising dark bay or brown juvenile has appeared:

DECISION DAY (dkb/br c 2012) http://www.pedigreequery.com/decision+day2


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Another one for the list:

REBRIDLED DREAMS (bay m 2000) http://www.pedigreequery.com/rebridled+dreams

who is the dam of the 2014 Breeder’s Cup Juvenile, second-place finisher, CARPE DIEM
http://www.pedigreequery.com/carpe+diem20 is the produce of two immediate
gray parents.


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Not yet a stakes winner but deserves a meritorious mention.

PLATINUM LADY (bay f 2011) http://www.pedigreequery.com/platinum+lady5


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