Pedigree Query

Can anyone remember this horse's name? She is a stained white (as George likes to call them!) racing in Japan. Don't know if she is still running or not. I had her bookmarked but it is gone. Obviously I am spelling it wrong!

I even had to check myself to re-connect with
the name, which is:

MARUMATSU LIVE (White M 2004)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/marumatsu+live

Interesting that this showed up in another Halo line stallion. Wonder if there is something going on with Halo? Or if the Japanese don't have the bias against colored TB's, and so the colored ones make it to the track instead of being shunted off to other careers?

Wonder if the Japanese whites have been tested to see if they are Dominant White, and if they are the same mutation. Wouldn't that be cool!

Have these Japanese white horses reproduced their color? I ask because sometimes loud/unusual white markings are the result of some special conditions in the environment, and there seems to be a lot of whites in Japan. There are horses in some small part of South America,in Brazil or Argentina I think, that have white spots that make them look almost like Appaloosas but they come from solid parents and don't reproduce the color, so scientists believe that the spots come from environmental factors.

I think we discussed these horses on one of the color threads several years ago. I think somebody posted a photo of one of these horses that was a famous polo pony.

I also think that Halo throws serious color. His 2nd dam is Almahmoud. His other Kentucky Derby winning son, Sunny's Halo, had sabino markings IIRC, including a belly spot.

The Japanese whites do indeed produce on.

Someone recently suggested to me that certain genetics might lend themselves to a higher likelihood of mutations. That could be the situation with Halo. Not that he himself has a mutation, but that his genetics and those he passes on are more apt to mutate than other horses comparatively.

Linda_d wrote:There are horses in some small part of South America,in Brazil or Argentina I think, that have white spots that make them look almost like Appaloosas but they come from solid parents and don't reproduce the color, so scientists believe that the spots come from environmental factors.

I think we discussed these horses on one of the color threads several years ago. I think somebody posted a photo of one of these horses that was a famous polo pony.

Linda_d,

Most probably you are referring to the following Thoroughbred case:

ROYAL MANCHADO (Chestnut H 1990)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/royal+manchado

As for the Polo Pony, most probably you are referring to
VASCO PISKUI (Bay G 2000)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vasco+piskui

Jorge wrote:

Linda_d wrote:There are horses in some small part of South America,in Brazil or Argentina I think, that have white spots that make them look almost like Appaloosas but they come from solid parents and don't reproduce the color, so scientists believe that the spots come from environmental factors.

I think we discussed these horses on one of the color threads several years ago. I think somebody posted a photo of one of these horses that was a famous polo pony.

Linda_d,

Most probably you are referring to the following Thoroughbred case:

ROYAL MANCHADO (Chestnut H 1990)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/royal+manchado

As for the Polo Pony, most probably you are referring to
VASCO PISKUI (Bay G 2000)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vasco+piskui

Thank you, Jorge! Those are the ones.

Thanks a bunch!!

Apropos Royal Manchado and Vasco Piskui
it is pertinent to add another quite atypical case,
a Thoroughbred named:

PINTADITO (bay h 2008) http://www.pedigreequery.com/pintadito

The particular case of Pintadito was already shown
here under the following thread:

"PINTADITO – new flamboyant case"
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... hp?t=32690

Jorge wrote:

Linda_d wrote:There are horses in some small part of South America,in Brazil or Argentina I think, that have white spots that make them look almost like Appaloosas but they come from solid parents and don't reproduce the color, so scientists believe that the spots come from environmental factors.

I think we discussed these horses on one of the color threads several years ago. I think somebody posted a photo of one of these horses that was a famous polo pony.

Linda_d,

Most probably you are referring to the following Thoroughbred case:

ROYAL MANCHADO (Chestnut H 1990)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/royal+manchado

As for the Polo Pony, most probably you are referring to
VASCO PISKUI (Bay G 2000)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vasco+piskui

Reference from another thread recently posted here; the "Marumatso".

Jorge wrote:I even had to check myself to re-connect with
the name, which is:

MARUMATSU LIVE (White M 2004)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/marumatsu+live

See photo at:

http://sonodaya.blog.so-net.ne.jp/_imag ... suLive.jpg

Is it Halo or is Northern Taste perhaps passing along a mutation or the combo of the two together? Northern Taste is rather flashy...his face reminds me of Carnivalay. And just like the Halo bloodline, Northern Taste is pretty prominent in the Japanese pedigrees.

Jorge wrote:

Linda_d wrote:There are horses in some small part of South America,in Brazil or Argentina I think, that have white spots that make them look almost like Appaloosas but they come from solid parents and don't reproduce the color, so scientists believe that the spots come from environmental factors.

I think we discussed these horses on one of the color threads several years ago. I think somebody posted a photo of one of these horses that was a famous polo pony.

Linda_d,

Most probably you are referring to the following Thoroughbred case:

ROYAL MANCHADO (Chestnut H 1990)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/royal+manchado

As for the Polo Pony, most probably you are referring to
VASCO PISKUI (Bay G 2000)
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vasco+piskui

Vasca Rosa

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vasca+rosa