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Author:  Jorge [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:32 pm ]
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Enjoy Native Charger’s Florida Derby victory:

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... rida-Derby

and an article:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

Author:  Jorge [ Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:44 pm ]
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Two quite interesting pages on Native Dancer’s grey (and non-grey) sire line:

http://www.idshs.com.au/perl/search.pl? ... cer&gens=5
http://www.idshs.com.au/perl/search.pl? ... ive&gens=5

Author:  Jorge [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:57 pm ]
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What happened to a horse named ECHO FREDDIE (gray H 2002) http://www.pedigreequery.com/echo+freddie ?

Author:  Jorge [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:51 pm ]
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Jorge wrote:
Jorge wrote:
This is the latest (July 2012) on Native Dancer's remaining grey-tail-male lineage survivors. If any of our collaborators possess additional information on this topic, please assist us by posting the information.
Thanks for your valuable assistance.


Remaining grey-tail-male lineages by Native Dancer:

• FROM DANCER’S IMAGE:
01. Tarquin Silk (grey h 1999) http://www.pedigreequery.com/tarquin+silk

• FROM RESTLESS NATIVE:
01. Con Juan (grey h 2004) http://www.pedigreequery.com/con+juan http://www.tailwindracing.com/images/con_juan0307.jpg
02. Born on the Wind (grey h 1989) http://www.pedigreequery.com/born+on+the+wind

• FROM IRON WARRIOR:
01. Longevity (grey h 1995) http://www.pedigreequery.com/longevity3
02. Roan Warrior (grey h 2005) http://www.pedigreequery.com/roan+warrior2
03. Dancer’s Ghost (grey h 1995) http://www.pedigreequery.com/dancers+ghost
04. Hubs Ghost (grey h 2001) http://www.pedigreequery.com/dancers+ghost

• FROM NATIVE CHARGER:
01. Rosillo Grande (grey h 1998)Tarquin Silk (grey h 1999) http://www.pedigreequery.com/rosillo+grande


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any latest news on HUBS GHOST's (grey H 2001) Texas progeny?
http://www.pedigreequery.com/dancers+ghost

Author:  Jorge [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:12 pm ]
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Don't miss to read this article on CON JUAN's millionaire paternal half-brother: ECHO EDDIE. Read the article at:

http://archive.ctba.com/07magazine/nov/ ... owEcho.pdf

By the way, is there any 2013 news on CON JUAN (grey h 2004)?

2-time Allowance winner Con Juan happens to be the only entire surviving grey-tail-male lineage descendant coming from Haskell Invitational winner Restless Con (a son of Restless Native, and grandson of the great Native Dancer).

Author:  Jorge [ Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:40 pm ]
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Another reference to this topic:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... 70b32da5ec

Author:  Jorge [ Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:40 pm ]
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It seems obvious that the tail-male lineage of IRON WARRIOR
has been kept alive on purpose. But I ask if there is any 2013
news on his second generation progeny?

Author:  Jorge [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:18 pm ]
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More on CON JUAN's sire:

Back in June 24, 1991, at Golden Gate Fields (8thrace – Au Revoir Invitational Handicap) RESTLESS CON, sire of CON JUAN, established a new track record (and new world record among greys) for the distance of 8-1/2 furlongs on dirt. He led all the way while clicking :22.50; :45.30; 1:08.30; 1:33.10; and 1:39.50 for the 1-1/16 mile.

I would really like to know if it is possible to find this race at youtube.

It would also be nice if the 1990 edition of the Haskell Invitational, also won by him in a shocker, can be added.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Author:  Jorge [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:41 pm ]
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Interesting grey tail-male descendant coming from Native Dancer:

NO WAY JOSE (grey h 1997) http://www.pedigreequery.com/no+way+jose2

Author:  Jorge [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:45 pm ]
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Jorge wrote:
Interesting grey tail-male descendant coming from Native Dancer:

NO WAY JOSE (grey h 1997) http://www.pedigreequery.com/no+way+jose2


According to other official sources he was a gelding.

Author:  Jorge [ Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:10 pm ]
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Just discovered this surviving interesting grey-tail-male-lineage
by Native Dancer (via Dancers Image).

Top Comas (grey h 1997) http://www.pedigreequery.com/top+comas

Top Comas progeny http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/top+comas

Any update information on this gray strain?

Author:  Jorge [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:32 am ]
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Can someone inform us if sire DANCER'S GHOST is still alive
and active?

DANCERS GHOST (grey h 1995) http://www.pedigreequery.com/dancers+ghost

Author:  Jorge [ Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:40 pm ]
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Another relative to CON JUAN http://www.pedigreequery.com/con+juan (Still alive?)

Here is another entire descendant of Restless Native (via Jolly Johu)
with an incredible record of durability, who also made it to the
breeding shed:

LAND OF THE FREE (grey h 1980, by Jolly Johu – Rayob, by Boyar)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/land+of+the+free

98 starts, wins 11, 20 seconds, 18 thirds with $165,722 earnings.
Handicap (1 start)
Allowance (32 allowance starts)
Claiming (58 starts)
King of Maiden Special Weight (7 starts)

What an incredible longeve family!

Author:  Jorge [ Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:41 am ]
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More on Con Juan:

Con Juan represents the last surviving gray-tail-male lineage from the great Native Dancer. As many of you know, several of his best talented gray sons went to stud such as Native Charger, Dancer's Image, Banderilla, Gaelic Dancer, Dancing Dervish, Jig Time, Moving Target, Mito, Iron Warrior, Natidan, Grand Revival, Dancing Cap, Gallant Native, Executive Officer and Restless Native, just to mention a few. From all these names only a handful names managed to uphold the "Gray Ghost's" gray color via his tail-male lineage. These were Native Charger, Dancer's Image, Jig Time, Iron Warrior, Dancing Cap and Restless Native. The last gray sire from Native Charger was Chargingthrough and vanished. The last from Dancer's Image disappeared in France and Japan in the late 80's. The case of Jig Time has an asterisk because his gray descendant Pistols and Roses has several gray ancestors mixed with the gonads of The Dancer. Dancing Cap managed to sire Oguri Cap (1990 Japan Horse of the Year), but his lineage disappeared when Sunday Silence overwhelmed in Japan.

The only surviving case is Restless Native (1960), who at the end of his breeding career at 27 got from an 18 year old mare (Filouette) one last good achiever in the Group-1 winner, Restless Con (Haskell Invitational). Restless Con is also the world record holder among grays for the distance of 8-1/2 furlongs (dirt) when he lead all the fractionals of the Au Revoir Stakes and clicked 1:39-3/5 at Golden Gate.

If you examine Restless Con's sire table you will notice that he was a good stallion, siring Echo Eddie, a near $500,000 achiever (Mike K) and several scintillating speedsters who always clicked extraordinary times at the track. Unfortunately, he ended up in the State where many horses are gelded unnecessarily (Best Pal) and practically all his sons have been gelded.

Actually, Con Juan has a good chance of becoming a good stakes winner, just as his full brother Con Quixote. Since it is a fact that practically all of Restless Con's sons (and daughters) are speedy late bloomers. I really think that given a proper time he may even be part of the field of the BC Sprint this year or in 2009. In fact, his full brother raced as a 7-year-old.

Con Juan, the only remaining entire gray-tail-male-lineage descendant from the mighty Native Dancer, proved in 2007 that given sufficient time, he may be worth the 2008 Breeders Cup Sprint field. He ran third during the first 4 furlongs (21:67 and 44:4, then advanced to second (5 furlongs in 56:62), to finally stalk during all the stretch outdueling second place finisher in 1:09.07 Con Juan is still maturing.

Would like to know if this tail-male lineage (Restless Native/Restless Con/Con Juan) is still among us.

Thanks in advance for any July 2014 update!!!

Author:  Jorge [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:11 pm ]
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Would really appreciate if some of you may help us
with an update on these less conspicuous grey tail-male
lineage descendants of Native Dancer, Dancers Image and Iron Warrior.

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