Pedigree Query

Breeding farm...Again...for God sake please stop overbreeding,we cannot feed all of them for you,irresponsible morons...

Even most morons that know anything about breeding mares know that starving mares won't ovulate; it takes so much caloric intake in order for a mare to ovulate. A poor mare on the increase will certainly conceive but not a poor mare getting poorer.

The people that are most guilty of starving horses are "rescues" that think carrots and peppermints are all a horse needs to eat – not breeders.

casallc wrote:

The people that are most guilty of starving horses are "rescues" that think carrots and peppermints are all a horse needs to eat – not breeders.

That's a one-sided, wholly uniformed statement if ever there was one.

Wish people would spend as much time helping horses as they do bantering back and forth about some far away news story.

NorthStar wrote:

casallc wrote:

The people that are most guilty of starving horses are "rescues" that think carrots and peppermints are all a horse needs to eat – not breeders.

That's a one-sided, wholly uniformed statement if ever there was one.

Wish people would spend as much time helping horses as they do bantering back and forth about some far away news story.

Some of the problem is that "rescue" is one of the most overused words in horsedom now and it hasn't done anyone any favors least of all the genuine rescues. The dealers and scammers have co opted the description to create false urgency and move horses along and there are way too many people who want to say that they "rescued" a horse when all they did was buy one cheap. Then there are the ignorant and well meaning who either give their money to shady organizations and/or take a horse and put him in a worse situation although their heart was in a good place.

So there is plenty of reason to be cynical when the R word gets used.

Sysonby wrote:

NorthStar wrote:

casallc wrote:

The people that are most guilty of starving horses are "rescues" that think carrots and peppermints are all a horse needs to eat – not breeders.

That's a one-sided, wholly uniformed statement if ever there was one.

Wish people would spend as much time helping horses as they do bantering back and forth about some far away news story.

Some of the problem is that "rescue" is one of the most overused words in horsedom now and it hasn't done anyone any favors least of all the genuine rescues. The dealers and scammers have co opted the description to create false urgency and move horses along and there are way too many people who want to say that they "rescued" a horse when all they did was buy one cheap. Then there are the ignorant and well meaning who either give their money to shady organizations and/or take a horse and put him in a worse situation although their heart was in a good place.

So there is plenty of reason to be cynical when the R word gets used.

I agree to a degree that the word "rescue" is often misused and overused. However, I also disagree that a horse an honorable person takes (for little or no money) before it ends up with virtually no options but the kill-buyer auctions, should be considered a bonafide rescue horse. Reason being, most people don't need another horse to support but they take it on in hopes to give it a better life than what awaits it if someone honorable doesn't take the horse. And unfortunately, because of numerous factors (the economy, the weather and the subsequent effect on the price of hay and grain), some of the most well-meaning, well-intentioned "rescues" go awry, when the financial burden becomes larger than the ability to afford it. But there too, we are stuck with unrealistic sorts that just don't understand that euthanasia (done properly) is far more responsible than starving a horse or sending it to slaughter.

I see all the time people saying they "saved" a horse from the track...when it is quite evident that the horse was much better off at the track than in their hands."They rescue it from the horrible world of racing where they are abused,drugged and run to death" who is spreading those idiotic rumors...?Racing is so controled that we live in a glass house,believe me most of the time they are better in racebarns than show or riding stables where no one is watching.

agreed, that is why a lot of trainers are hesitant to work with "rescue" groups that are trying to acquire horses at the track. I remember chasing them off from my bosses barn when they start asking uneducated questions and want to feed and ride our horses in the shedrow.

Sylvie Hebert wrote:I see all the time people saying they "saved" a horse from the track...when it is quite evident that the horse was much better off at the track than in their hands."They rescue it from the horrible world of racing where they are abused,drugged and run to death" who is spreading those idiotic rumors...?Racing is so controled that we live in a glass house,believe me most of the time they are better in racebarns than show or riding stables where no one is watching.

Agree with you mostly there. Although there are some trainers (who should be banned from racing) and some poor horses, who unfortunately meet these trainers and never experience much life at all, only to be given away to a track employee and quick trip to Mexico or Canada. It's hard to decide which is worse, the slaughterhouses of Mexico or the way horses are match raced and used and abused, when they should not be racing to begin with, let alone in an environment with little real humanity.

humane euthanizia is the only answer.. And before anyone says "We need to stop breeding" .. ugh We need to create jobs and stimulate the equine economy first.

Stop your neighbor from breeding her mutt horse so her kids can see a live birth. Stop your friend from thinking twice about chopping the nuts off her colt because she might want to breed him one day. Stop breeding stock that does nothing for the breed because of conformation, unsoundess, or temperment,. (it could also be applied to my TB rant here)

But in a down economy where there is still multi-millions of dollars still being spent on grain, hay,straw,board, vet, tack, and even horses- Let's encourage that!

I still have not heard a single logical and economical reason of why it is so horrible if Flicka ends up in an Alpo can.

Crystal wrote:humane euthanizia is the only answer.. And before anyone says "We need to stop breeding" .. ugh We need to create jobs and stimulate the equine economy first.

Besides how do you stop breeding and still have a TB industry?

Sysonby wrote:

Crystal wrote:humane euthanizia is the only answer.. And before anyone says "We need to stop breeding" .. ugh We need to create jobs and stimulate the equine economy first.

Besides how do you stop breeding and still have a TB industry?

The economy is in the toilet.

We have someone in the White House who may be operating to worsen the economy or who understands so little about economics that that is what happens when his utopian formulae are applied.

We are in deep manure internationally. Our borders are open and we have trashed allies and pretended enemies are our pals--or at least, our leadership enjoys assuming that pose.

We will be fortunate if this society is still recognizable in 7 years.

The Thoroughbred industry is going to bleed along with everyone else. It is not going to be pretty, even if we survive culturally.

[quote="Georgerz"]I still have not heard a single logical and economical reason of why it is so horrible if Flicka ends up in an Alpo can.[/quote]

If there could be regulated standards of safety and technique for processing it would be a better industry for all processed meet. (Horses included).