How do I find out if my guy sired any foals ?

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How do I find out if my guy sired any foals ?

Postby RememberWhensMom » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:44 am

How could I find out if my horse sired any foals ? I've had him for 19 years and just did his tattoo search . He was born in France in 1979 and his birth name was Carnival (Native Dancer was his great grand daddy)
Could anyone tell me where I could start ? I would love to find a foal or grand foal etc if there was any . He is such a sweetheart and would love to have another of him :-) . He was a stallion when I bought him so there is a possibility .
Thank you so much in advance ,
Debby

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Postby RememberWhensMom » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:48 am

Sorry it was Carneval and was born in 1977 (trying to make him younger LOL)

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Postby freshman » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:30 pm

Unless the data base is wrong or I am making some silly mistake, I think your horse may be a half sibling to CARO (IRE).

http://www.pedigreequery.com/carneval

Where you aware of this or does this sound correct?

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Postby RememberWhensMom » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:15 am

No I wasn't aware of that . I bought him in 1987 from a horse dealer in Connecticut who didn't have papers or much information about him . He was a stallion at that time and all she could tell me was that he hadn't been off the track long and he was from Argentina (which after doing his tattoo search I found he was born in France)
I tried doing a quick search on Caro last night but was too tired at that point to make much sense of it .
Does anyone have any information on what this means ?
Thank you all so much already
Debby

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Postby RememberWhensMom » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:25 am

Yes it does look like they are half brothers , they shared the same mom .

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Postby freshman » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:33 pm

RemeberWhensMom, this is a very cool!

CARO(IRE) was a very influential sire! He has been named a Chef-de-race, quite an honor. I wish I could name a good site or other place to get a good bio, but nothing is coming to me right off. Hopefully someone else can provide more info on him.

For you purposes, not only does it make your boy a little more special, it also means that it will be possible for you to aquire a relative through CARO if it turns out that your horse does not have any progeny.

If you you are interested in learning more about CARO, posting on the general discussion area will get a lot more attention.

Congrats again!

Edited to fix some typos!

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Postby LaTroienne » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:43 pm

Here's some great info. on Caro:

A Wondrous Mixture

When Caro, the source of all this class, first came to the U. S., there were many skeptics. Despite the speed of the Grey Sovereign line and despite Caro’s sire, Fortino II, being a very fast sprinter, breeders looked at his overall pedigree and said, “Grass.” And of course Caro himself ran on the grass, winning the French 2000 Guineas like so many of his tribe. But Caro was something more.

He was less precocious than some Grey Sovereigns, and was only stakes placed at two, and while he won his classic at three, he ran on at four. In fact, he had his best year as a four-year-old and was crowned the champion of his age and sex when he won the Prix Ganay, Prix d’Harcourt, and Prix Dollar and placed in the Eclipse Stakes and Prix Foy.

The majority of his stamina, of course, came to him via his tail-female line (he traces to Black Duchess) and with names like Precipitation, Hurry On, Bachelor’s Double and Solario in the mix, he could hardly have been a mere sprinter. Yet perhaps his most intriguing cross was a double of Nogara via Nearco and Nervesa that occurred in the pedigree of his sire. In fact, *Fortino II is tail-female to Nogara, something well worth noting.

As a matter of fact, *Fortino II was one of the strangest mixes we’ve discussed for a long time. There is *Nasrullah/Grey Sovereign on top, then Man o’ War and Padua come in via Relic, his broodmare sire, to give him some American flavor. Add the German inbreeding to the broodmare Hollebeck via half siblings Olba and Oretello and the Tesio flavor via Nogara, which is Italian, and one has a true international horse.

Grey Sovereign, of course, brings in that Hainault line, so Phalaris x2/Hainault appears overall and Fortino II carries a treble of Havresac II, two from Nogara and one via the German sire Orsenigo. Given the type horse most Germans favor (and the presence of solid Chef Oleander) as Orsenigo’s sire, there was a bit of stamina in Fortino II, too.

So there you have it – a unique *Nasrullah line and one that appears to be hanging on. Cozzene continues to impress, looking young for his age, and with Alphabet Soup a pleasant surprise, and In Excess even more surprising, the line might become the Domino of *Nasrullahs after all, and need only one good one to make it all work.


http://www.reines-de-course.com/grey_sovereign_(gb).htm

also here: http://www.indiarace.com/stallion/TEJANO/index.htm


PREPOTENT SIRE LINE

By Caro (son of Fortino II) , Champion racehorse, Champion Sire. Sire of sires NEBOS, KALSOUN, RINGARO, COZZENE, CRYSTAL PALACE, RUSTICARO, GALETTO, WITH APPROVAL, DR. CARTER, SIBERIAN EXPRESS, TURGENO etc.


Leading French sire: http://www.tbheritage.com/HistoricSires ... Sires.html

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Postby Arctic Cielo » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:48 am

Sounds like an interesting guy. I'd like to hear any updates on him.