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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:40 am 
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Just a random example:
DANEBURY HILL C, 2004
Linebred to (the most important ones with regard to blood %):
Northern Dancer (St. Simon/Gainsborough)
Natalma (St. Simon/galopin)
Ribot (St. Simon/Cyllene)
Flower Bowl (Gainsborough/Galopin)
Buckpasser (Teddy/St. Simon)
War Admiral (Stockwell/Pocahontas)
Nearco (St. Simon/Galopin)
Hyperion (St. Simon/Galopin)
Mahmoud (Galopin/St. Simon)
Gainsborough (Galopin/Voltaire)
Pharos (St. Simon/Galopin)
Phalaris (Springfield/Stockwell)
Selene (Pilgrimage/Galopin)

The two names behind the linebred horses are the two most important horses that they themselves were linebred to.
And even Man O’ War has St. Simon one time and Galopin two times in his pedigree, Phalaris has St. Simon one time, Selene has St. Simon and Galopin another time again, Teddy has Galopin three times.
So is it safe to say that we are very often mostly just going back and back again to the blood of St. Simon/Galopin if we go back to the end of the 19th century?
How is it possible then that the phenotype of the Thoroughbred still seems to have changed from that of St. Simon and Galopin? Who seemed to have a higher neck carriage.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:23 am 
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... imon01.JPG


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You could try the following site which is very definitive and informative on Thoroughbred history.
www.tbheritage.com

Hope this helps.


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I was thinking that maybe Stockwell is the cause, loads of his blood can be found in many TB's and he lived before St. Simon. The change of body type in TB's could ofcourse also be caused by selecting for more speed and less for stamina.


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Here is a photographic history of some of Danebury Hill's ancestors. Perhaps it can help you.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/photos/danebury+hill

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:10 am 
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Thank you Nessa but it is still not clear to me where these horses get their type of conformation (the Danehill/Danzig type) from if you look at horses of the past. The rather bulky type http://www.stallions.com.au/archive/dan ... ection.asp
http://www.lanesend.com/stallions/stallions/lils_lad/

They are all very much linebred to this guy: http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/StS ... tSimon.jpg
Or is the difference just in fatness, the amount of food they had and how fat they have grown and the difference between being in training and out of training and age?


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I am still wondering...


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