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Need help on Parole (1873)

Postby steward » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:59 pm

After reading some old online newspapers, I'd like to find a resource that can explain the absence the 1885 Parole races in the few histories that I have seen so far. According to some sites, he ran one race in 1884 and retired:

http://www.racingmuseum.org/hall/horse.asp?ID=116

However, there are some races (9?) in late 1885 that include an aged gelding by Leamington owned by Rancocas. For example:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 94649FD7CF

Is there something else out there, or is this a brainlock on my part? (not unusual) I apologize in advance. 8)

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Postby Pan Zareta » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:52 pm

Lorillard also bred an 1877 b c Patrician (aka: Parole) x *Saxon - *Masterman x King Tom (ASB 4:37). He ran under both names, and I suspect it's probably him that was running in 1885. But it should be noted that the NYT accts. from 1885 are equivocal re. Parole's color. Some say bay, others say brown, like Parole x *Leamington.

ETA - Patrician ran for A. Taylor of NJ as a 3yo. It's possible that he was back in Lorillard's hands by 1885, but somewhat further diminishes confidence that he might have been the Parole running for Rancocas in 1885.

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Postby steward » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:48 am

"Parole" supposedly first ran in 1885 on September 1 at Sheepshead. Here is the NY Tribune's account of the race (column 4, top). It's not definitive by any account, but the context seems to indicate that the runner was a once-esteemed individual.

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/ ... rds=Parole

I also got a google hit from a New Zealand newspaper from later that year, which stated that Parole ran 9 times (9-0-5-1) and was 12 years old. (And that after his last race, he was gifted to the Jerome Park starter as a saddle horse.)

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bi ... 128.2.43.5

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Postby steward » Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:55 am

Another contemporaneous account (column 2, 2/3 down the page) that seems to be unequivocal:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=f7 ... gton&hl=en

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Postby steward » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:38 pm

I plowed through the old newspapers and compiled a list of 1885 races for "Parole" (or whoever it was):

9/1 Sheepshead 2nd race
9/8 She 4
9/12 She 1
9/15 She 6
9/19 She 2
9/21 She 6
9/26 Jerome Park 1st race
9/29 Jer 1
10/1 Jer 4
10/3 Jer 1
10/8 Jer 1

Eleven races in all. The horses that he competed with were not at the very highest 1885 level, but they were very good. Modesty and Tecumseh were among some of those he finished ahead of. The older horse Strathspey (who won at least 3 of the contests) was a familiar competitor of Parole:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... 838A699FDE

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Postby Pan Zareta » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:28 pm

Patrician aka: Parole x *Saxon was sold at auction on or about 6/7/1880 to Anthony Taylor, who may have been the 'Marcus Antonius Taylor' described as a "tutor" at Rancocas "preparing 82 head for the coming campaign" in 1881. Nonetheless, it seems pretty clear that Parole 1873 was back on the track in '85. You ought to let the Racing Museum know. :wink:

I ran across a NYT article from 11 Dec 1898 suggestive that he spent his old age in dignity and comfort at Rancocas -
Old Parole, who in 1879 gave the English turfmen a foretaste of what was coming when, two years later, his victories were supplemented by Iroquois' and Foxhall's brilliant performances in classic English and French events, it is interesting to note is in his twenty-fifth year, and is still in good shape, and may be seen every Summer at Rancocas, roaming around in a large pasture with the yearling colts. Caiman, who recently won the Middle Park Plate in England had the old horse for a particular "pal" the Summer before last and apparently benefited[sic] by the tips given him by the old war horse. Dr. Carter, the stud manager at Rancocas, discovered several years ago that Parole was in many ways a most desirable companion for yearlings, consequently he is much more in evidence that is customary with has-beens in the shape of geldings, no matter how brilliant. Parole's career as a race horse was a most wonderful one, and although many pooh pooh his being first-class, the fact remains that he beat first-class ones at all distances, both here and in England, and were he on the turf in these degenerate days he would be an all-round champion.

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Postby steward » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:41 pm

While on the topic of reconciling old racing data, I also ran across a likely discrepancy in the record 1885 KD winner, Joe Cotton. All of the printed histories available to me credit him with 54 lifetime races. For example, wikipedia uses information identical to that in my books:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cotton_(horse)

However, those books include two supposed races in 1889, one year after he was destroyed shortly after a race on 9-11-1888.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... 94699FD7CF

Also, I can't find any contemporary mention of races in 1889. Krik's or Goodwin's charts from 1889 - if any - would be helpful.

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Postby steward » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:21 pm

Following the suggestion above, I contacted the historian at the National Museum of Racing. He replied that the new data seems to be probative. He did some additional research, and they are in the process of revising Parole's history.

He gave me the correct race and dollar totals in the email, but I will wait for the official posting to add the data to this site (on this thread).

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Postby steward » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:28 am

The National Museum of Racing has officially corrected Parole's record based on the discoveries above.

138 - 59 - 28 - 17

$82,816

http://www.racingmuseum.org/hall/horse.asp?ID=116

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Postby Pan Zareta » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:16 pm

steward wrote:The National Museum of Racing has officially corrected Parole's record based on the discoveries above.


They should put you on the payroll! :lol:

Did you ever get any more info on Joe Cotton? Wish I could help but I have no charts from 1889. :(

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Postby steward » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:20 am

I'm at a dead end with Joe Cotton without a chart book. I also don't want to busy the KD Museum historian at this time.

I have one more tidbit that falls into somewhat of a gray area. It relates to the official record of famous horses, and what qualifies as lifetime earnings and starts. Here is some information that I have posted on his pedigree, but have not bothered to touch his stats.

Go Between (1901):

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... 946296D6CF

I have discovered more such instances of starts at fairs during that "dead" (both racing and economic) era, including for a Preakness winner. Personally, I would include them, but understand the difficulties of making determinations, etc.

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Postby steward » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:10 pm

Rummaging around in the 1870s and 1880s, I've begun to notice a few more stats errors for famous horses. I stumbled upon a possible source for certain ones; namely, the indexes for what likely served as data mines for folks who compiled lifetime starts and winnings.

Wallace's furnished charts and indexes similar to DRF chart books. Veteran researchers are used to going to the backs of the books to make a simple count of DRF race index #s.

However, Wallace's used a unique protocol, different from DRF, Krik's, etc. Like Krik, their indexes were page numbers. Oddly, though, Wallace's used superscripted numbers following them as a shorthand to indicate that two (or more) PPs were contained on one page.

Case in point: Baden-Baden, 1877 KD winner. Credited with 10 lifetime starts (four in 1876 as 2yo, six as 3yo). However, I found 5 starts in 1876 by using the index that - superficially - would look like only four starts to an unsuspecting researcher. (Undoubtedly, someone performed the calculation maybe 100+ years ago, the work product was never challenged or re-visited.)

See for yourself.

http://books.google.com/books?id=899IAA ... en&f=false

Use the "GO" button on the left. Scroll to the bottom of the link to page 739 box. "Baden-Baden" has a superscripted "2" for page 542; and, indeed, if one enlarges p. 542 (top box of link), there are two races that Baden-Baden competed in; Sept 25 and Sept 27 at CD.

I just uncovered this yesterday, so I haven't had a chance to do delve into other horses very much. However, the 1877 version index seems to contain another uncredited race for Ten Broeck, although the page needed to confirm it was skipped in the Google Books copying process. Who knows how many more stars (if any) this impacts. There are a lot of superscripts in those indexes.

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Postby steward » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:22 pm

BTW, here are the 5 (instead of 4) races in 1876 for Baden-Baden:

Sept 15 Lexington (colt and filly stakes) 4th.
Sept 22 Churchill Downs (Belle Meade stakes) 2nd.
Sept 25 Churchill Downs (Sanford stakes) 2nd.
Sept 27 Churchill Downs (unnamed 2yo stakes) 2nd.
October 12 Nashville (Burns Island?) (Young American stakes) won.

Can of worms or false alarm, who knows? 8)

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Postby Pan Zareta » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:21 pm

steward wrote:Can of worms or false alarm, who knows? 8)


Either way, it's good to know. Do you ever use the library at Keeneland? I've found the staff there most helpful.