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 Post subject: Gran Roman
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:06 am 
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Does this horse actually exist? I've found no record so far beyond this site. The Breeders' Cup site and Equineline both have no record of a horse with that name, but Equineline does have El Machote, his (alleged) half-brother and lists him as being bred in Colombia (incidentally when people choose COL for the pedigree, PQ then misspells the country as "Columbia" so we might wanna fix that). I've been trying to fill out Irish War Cry's female family. It's had a lot of holes because there are many Italian relatives that just never made it in the database. IWC's 4th dam is a half-sister to the dam of Gran Roman, Mangaba (FR). I just wanna make sure that mare's progeny are accurate and that, ultimately, we have the ability to give IWC the pedigree analysis he deserves.

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 Post subject: Re: Gran Roman
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:20 pm 
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Horses bred and raced in Colombia have been entered in the data base with very suspect information, as breeding and racing have been almost non existent in the past four decades in that country. However the pedigree for the horse in question looks reasonable.


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 Post subject: Re: Gran Roman
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:11 pm 
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Hello
I hope this will help
IRISH WAR CRY (2014) CURLIN
Irish Sovereign (2000) Polish Numbers
Irish Genius (93) Beau Genius
Irish Trip (71) Saint Crispin lll
Tabebuia ll (65) Tambourine – dam of Irish Trip (71) Saint Crespin – 2nd Premio Dormello
Nectandra (60) Nimbus- dam of Mangaba (71) Major Portion
x Dinarella (47) Niccolo Dell Arca – dam of Psidium (58) Pardal -Epsom Derby (1961)
Dagherotipia (36) Manna
Dossa Dossi (30) Spike Island
+ Delleana (25) Clarissimus
*Duccia di Buoninsegna (20) Bridge of Earn
Dutch Mary (1915) William The Third
Pretty Polly (1901) Gallinule

X 4th dam Dudinka (70) Mossborough – Won Premio Lydia Tesio (1973)
3rd dam Dolina (64) Saint Crespin – Won Premio Regina Elena 1967

+dam of Donatello (34) Blenheim – Won Derby Italiano 1937; Premio Emilio Turati; Premio Federico
Tesio; Premio Emanual Filiberto; Gran Premio di Italia

*dam of De Albertis (33) Coronach – Won Premio Ambrosiano
3rd dam of I Titan (61) Ballymoss – Won Queen’s Vase RA
3rd dam Daumier (48) Niccolo dell Arca – Won Derby Italiano; GP de Jockey Club; St Leger italiano

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