*I can't say the same about Good And Tough. His 2yo sales figures aren't germane. I don't see him retaining commercial appeal and unless he gets some very good horses soon, he'll just be another sire of winners (rather cheap) *
Pete, interesting what you are saying about Good And Tough. He's got a young 3-year old filly out in Ca named Bella Banissa who looks like she might be on her way to some deeper stakes waters. She ran twice earlier this summer and won both races. Nothing earth shaking yet, but the fractions were pretty good. Bella Banissa happens to be a half-sister to Sidewalk Talk, a mare I sadle had to sell earlier this year, but which is in very good hands for now. I have a yearling colt out of Sidewalk, so let's hope there is more black type in the making....
Bella Banissa Owner: Legacy Ranch
Winnings: 5 Starts: 2 - 2 - 0, $94,030
WON Hollywood Park, July 10 5 1/2 Furlongs. (Turf) 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance Purse: $51,000 Times in 100ths: :21.65 :43.97 :56.12 1:02.30
WON Hollywood Park, June 26, 2005; 3 Year Olds And Up MSW 6 Furlongs,
2nd Nursery Stakes - HP 5/16/04
2nd Landaluce Stakes (G3)at Hollywood Park.
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Looking for a possible daddy for my Victorious mare for 2006. Your Turn To Deal...some nice blacktype on her female side and her sire takes us back to Nearctic with out Northern Dancer...which is the whole reason I like her. Built very stout...long legged quarter horse is the best way to describe her. VERY athletic with a ton of speed. just for some reason she couldn't get it done on the track. You know my price range for a stallion. Shes currently in foal to Freud and I could go back to him but don't believe in placing all of my eggs in one basket. (my Corporate Report is going to Freud in 2006 already) What do you think of Wiseman's Ferry for her or...?????? Her two foals we have here (04 and 05) are by my old stallion Ministry and they are both very very well built...correct and LONG LEGGED! When She was in NY being bred at the boarding farm and at Lakland we were asked several times..."WOW...Nice filly, who's she by?" This mare seems to throw BIG foals her April 2004 is already 16h and 1000#. Hope I gave you enough info.
Fins to the Left....
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let's hope there is more black type in the making....*
Update:
Bella Banissa ran in a $75K stakes race and burned up the track coming out of the gate, but ended up in 3rd place. Not earth shaking, but not bad at all. If she came out of the race in good shape, she'll be most likely back in stakes company before the meet is over at Del Mar.
7th race
http://www.drf.com/results/29/rDMR29.html?rn=463691
let's hope there is more black type in the making....*
Update:
Bella Banissa ran in a $75K stakes race and burned up the track coming out of the gate, but ended up in 3rd place. Not earth shaking, but not bad at all. If she came out of the race in good shape, she'll be most likely back in stakes company before the meet is over at Del Mar.
7th race
http://www.drf.com/results/29/rDMR29.html?rn=463691
Hi TBLady,
I'm assuming that you want to breed in NY?
I always speak about using stallions based on what they are worth to you at the time you intend to use the foal.
I liked Wiseman's Ferry in his first two years and not as much afterwards.
A stallion I like in his second year is Mayakovsky ($3,000), though I like him better next year (I would want to play the bubble on him). Mayakovsky was bred to 52 mares last year, a respectable number. His sire, Matty G is (to this pointin time) a strict pattern breeder and Your Turn To Deal matches and extends Matty G's patterns nicely (outcrossed through 4 gens, multiple strains of Hyperion, return of Raise A Native, War Relic through Olden Times, etc.).
We'll know a lot more about Wheelaway ($6,000) in the coming weeks as the Saratoga sales unfold. He's a nice outcross for your mare. He may have the most commercial potential in NY. You would be selling into his 4yos, so his sales results are a harbinger of what might be, not a guarantee of what he may get.
Desert Warrior ($3000) first foals have been very nice. He's got a sexy pedigree and will be standing his third year in NY, so you would be selling yearlings into his 2yo and 3yo runners. He has the potential to outsell his stud fee.
Roaring Fever ($5,000) is a son of Storm Cat with a solid KY type pedigree and a modest race record. He's well made up front (better than many other Storm Cats). He has the potential to gains some commercial appeal and you'd be breeding to him in his second year. His full brother, Stormin Fever can help or hurt depending on his gets performance, but so far he's holding his own if not making a name for himself.
When you breed to a Lakland North stallion (like Freud), you get the benefit of their first crops mostly being comprised of Lakland and Sez Who (who they seem to work with) mares. Additionally, Becky Thomas (Lakland) is very good at selling stock where they best fit and it's possible that Hook And Ladder ($3,500) or Dream Run ($5,000) might have good support at the sales.
Your Turn To Deal would need some substance and size with Hook And Ladder who isn't substantial. Dream Run is a full outcross for you, and Hook And Ladder a 4x4 Nearctic cross. You would selling yearlings into Hook And Ladder 3yos and Dream Run 2yos.
As always, proven NY sires aren't very commercial, or over priced.
Regards,
Pete
I'm assuming that you want to breed in NY?
I always speak about using stallions based on what they are worth to you at the time you intend to use the foal.
I liked Wiseman's Ferry in his first two years and not as much afterwards.
A stallion I like in his second year is Mayakovsky ($3,000), though I like him better next year (I would want to play the bubble on him). Mayakovsky was bred to 52 mares last year, a respectable number. His sire, Matty G is (to this pointin time) a strict pattern breeder and Your Turn To Deal matches and extends Matty G's patterns nicely (outcrossed through 4 gens, multiple strains of Hyperion, return of Raise A Native, War Relic through Olden Times, etc.).
We'll know a lot more about Wheelaway ($6,000) in the coming weeks as the Saratoga sales unfold. He's a nice outcross for your mare. He may have the most commercial potential in NY. You would be selling into his 4yos, so his sales results are a harbinger of what might be, not a guarantee of what he may get.
Desert Warrior ($3000) first foals have been very nice. He's got a sexy pedigree and will be standing his third year in NY, so you would be selling yearlings into his 2yo and 3yo runners. He has the potential to outsell his stud fee.
Roaring Fever ($5,000) is a son of Storm Cat with a solid KY type pedigree and a modest race record. He's well made up front (better than many other Storm Cats). He has the potential to gains some commercial appeal and you'd be breeding to him in his second year. His full brother, Stormin Fever can help or hurt depending on his gets performance, but so far he's holding his own if not making a name for himself.
When you breed to a Lakland North stallion (like Freud), you get the benefit of their first crops mostly being comprised of Lakland and Sez Who (who they seem to work with) mares. Additionally, Becky Thomas (Lakland) is very good at selling stock where they best fit and it's possible that Hook And Ladder ($3,500) or Dream Run ($5,000) might have good support at the sales.
Your Turn To Deal would need some substance and size with Hook And Ladder who isn't substantial. Dream Run is a full outcross for you, and Hook And Ladder a 4x4 Nearctic cross. You would selling yearlings into Hook And Ladder 3yos and Dream Run 2yos.
As always, proven NY sires aren't very commercial, or over priced.
Regards,
Pete
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This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms
This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms