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Postby adrienne » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:34 am

5 year old mare by French Deputy out of Listed Account by Private Account.

28-4-2-5 $85,364

Small mare, slightly heavy bodied with smaller bone.

Looking in Kentucky for a $5-7.5k stallion.

Going to sell her at auction bred.

Any ideas?

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Postby Old Goat » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:48 am

How about Quest? You would double on the mare Broadway through the 1/2 siblings Reviewer and Con Game and Numbered Account (the dam of her sire) has a proven horse through Seeking The Gold in Mutakddim. Numbered Account is also the daughter of Intriguing and therefore is a 1/s sister to Playmate who is the dam of Woodman. This line also goes to Swiss Trick, Polish Numbers, Not For Love, Oscillate (the dam of Mutakddim), and Rhythm to name a few. The cross of Quest ($5K stud fee) would make since with all this. Here is a link to the hypomating.

http://www.stonefarm.com/quest-hypo.html

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Postby adrienne » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:11 am

We talked about trying a young stallion, but determined with a maiden mare, we might be better off with some with more of a record.

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Postby kimberley mine » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:54 pm

One would think so, but unfortunately this auction market doesn't seem to respect value as a *runner*. From a business end, I think you're better off with a newbie.

Most of the well-proven sires in the $5k-$7.5k range are not going to get you what you want at the sales. Out of Place at Claiborne is a perfect example. Here is a horse who will get average earnings of 9x his fee, median earnings 3.5 times his fee (so you have a good chance of paying your bills with his foals) yet as a covering sire he might make 2x his fee if he is lucky, the buyers are feeling good, and the mare herself is heaven's gift to the breed. Sultry Song can get you a BC winner yet as a covering sire he's lucky to even make back his fee...and he gets better average/median than Out of Place. For you, the risk/reward is too great with the proven under 10k Kentucky sires.

If you really want a proven sire, you might look around and see if you can get a deal on Cape Canaveral ($10k), who brings in both Mr P and Seattle Slew, and has a covering sire average of about $80,000 and median of $46,000. He is improving his mares overall, and might be worth a look.

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Postby casallc » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:23 pm

HORSE CHESTNUT (SAf) $5,000 fee mares in foal average about $25K.

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Postby Sysonby » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:25 pm

kimberley mine wrote:If you really want a proven sire, you might look around and see if you can get a deal on Cape Canaveral ($10k), who brings in both Mr P and Seattle Slew, and has a covering sire average of about $80,000 and median of $46,000. He is improving his mares overall, and might be worth a look.


I agree with this suggestion. Check out Reata's Rocket in the database.

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Postby CA Michael » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:53 pm

Only caution about Cape Canaveral is that he's a little light below the knee. I've seen horses who are light boned stay sound through many years of hard racing, but usually not when so closely related to Mr. P and Seattle Slew. Skywalker horses, for example, are often light boned, but durable campaigners. If your mare is light too, as you indicated, you might want to look for a heavier boned stallion.

Im sure you could get a deal from AfleetAlexFan#1 on his two Oregon stallions!

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Postby Old Goat » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:07 pm

From experience I know that Overbrook usually only does discounts on stud fees if you book 3 or more mares to the stallion. Then it is either 15% or 20% off the stud fee for each mare. The only other thing I have heard them do is a foal share once in a while if the mare is to their satisfaction.

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Postby kimberley mine » Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:33 am

FYI the Overbrook fees came out today and Cape Canaveral is listed at $7500.

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Postby Old Goat » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:17 pm

Looks like he is Adrienne's price range now. :)

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Postby adrienne » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:16 pm

The mare IS light boned and was plagued with soundness problems. She was crazy fast sprinter... but her ankles started bothering her. Obviously 28 starts and $85k isn't anything to sneeze at... She is REALLY nicely put together though, I'll try to post some pictures of her in the next couple days, I wouldn't 'fix' a thing about her other than the lightness of bone.

But of course, we're breeding to sell <g> so who's worried about soundness? <g>

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Postby Old Goat » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:45 pm

Well, you should be worried about soundness. Even if you are breeding to sell, how that foal does will affect you should you ever sell your broodmare or any more of her foals. Not being worried about it and getting an unsound horse out there will not only hurt your mares value but it is also just wrong even if it is done more than it needs to be in the business today.

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Postby adrienne » Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:39 am

Old Goat wrote: Not being worried about it and getting an unsound horse out there will not only hurt your mares value but it is also just wrong even if it is done more than it needs to be in the business today.


<g> = <grin>

I was poking fun at the industry ;)

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