breeding within the same family branch

[Toccet02]

have there been any studies or observations about breeding within the same family? In this case 9F. Was doing some hypo matings and saw a stud that was in same family as "my" mare.
Thanks.

[parlo]

Is there an inbreeding to a mare possible - like to Natalma in Danehill. Otherwise it seems to me just a pattern without much background.

Incidently we tried to discuss this breeding pattern on a German tb-forum in recent days and in the examples we took as a proof it showed below average success to above average sires. Our examples in this case were Dashing Blade and Monsun.

[Toccet02]

they mare they both came from was the branch "starter" Toxophilite mare.
Both sire and dam, not dam and sire's dam.
I know that mare's a ways back...but just curious, as families are deemed important.

[BJ]

have there been any studies or observations about breeding within the same family? In this case 9F. Was doing some hypo matings and saw a stud that was in same family as "my" mare.
Thanks.

I think that is a good thing, especially when good female family. For instance, Top Account is by and out of parents from the family of La Troienne. I think they call that the Rasmussen Factor? http://www.chef-de-race.com/articles/ra ... factor.htm

[Maven]

The Rasmussen Factor is just the action of inbreeding to a female in a pedigree within 5 generations. It doesnt necessarily have to be inbreeding the female line of the mare to the female line of the stallion.

But yes, Top Account is an example of a horse carrying the Rasmussen Factor but also with the inbreeding taking place in the female families of both mare and stallion.

I also think its a "good" thing. Hell, my mare Laika Dawn has some intense inbreeding, including the RF very up close.

I just realized my explanation is kind of confusing. God bless writers.

[BJ]

have there been any studies or observations about breeding within the same family? In this case 9F. Was doing some hypo matings and saw a stud that was in same family as "my" mare.
Thanks.

One of the more "understandable" breeding advice books I've read, states something along the following:

1. Most important: Prospective Mare and Stallion...their compatibility in conformation, quality level, soundness, body-styles, racing styles, bloodlines, age and health of the prospective parents/vigor;

2. Female family and bringing in positive factors relating to same, i.e. RF factor;

3. Statistically, the number of quality progeny produced from similar blood matings.

After that, anything else positive is just "value added". But if the prospective parents aren't a "stand alone" good match, it really doesn't matter much what happens several generations back, where the family began.

[bcassidy]

I think it is very desirable to inbreed to the stallion's bottom side. what is the name of your mare and the stallion you are looking at? As we were discussing in another thread about inbreeding----you shouldn't even consider it unless you will be inbreeding to an exceptional animal. Inbreeding to a mediocre animal or worse--- will give you very poor results. Hope that helps.

[louis finochio]

It is best to inbred to the foundation mares and stallions to get the best results. If you are inbreeding to mediocre individuals you will ge the same results, as like begets like.

Make a habit of reading the pedigrees of those GR SW, and you will find those same chefs repeated over and over again, as those individuals are the key to success.

[CA Michael]

BLUE LARKSPUR 3 x 4 through dams only to PADUA

COUNTLESS inbreedings to LA TROIENNE through daughters only.