Well, this may be a moot point as it looks like i have missed out on this mare.... BUT
VAILMONT, 89 mare by Diesis out of Annie Edge. 1/2 sister to stakes winners Selkirk (champion) , Seebe, Syncline, Rory Creek, Skillington, and Rimrod.
A winner of 3 races in England, she has produced 7 foals, 4 runners, 3 winners. Of the seven, her two year old by Stormy Atlantic just sold for $105,000 as a two year old in training and she just foaled a North Light.
Empty, she was being sold for $3,500. Seemed very reasonable to me.
THOUGHTS?
Diesis mare (1/2 sister to champion Selkirk)
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Diesis mare (1/2 sister to champion Selkirk)
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Vailmont
Her daughter Velvet Glade by Kris S has been sold and resold a couple of times in the last three years. She sold for 20K at Keeneland then 17K at FT and I believe was resold again for less than that. She is a 98 model so she may be a possible for you. Her primary vice is that she is a cribber.
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I saw that Velvet Glade had several LA bred foals by non-descript stallions, then was brought into KY and sold by Millenium Farms. I wonder where she is now.
The huge drag with the Diesis mare is that her foals just haven't done nearly as well as you would expect. Perhaps the Stormy Atlantic and North Light foals will save her.
I read somewhere that GENERALLY the best foals are the first 3 born. Anyone else ever heard that?
The huge drag with the Diesis mare is that her foals just haven't done nearly as well as you would expect. Perhaps the Stormy Atlantic and North Light foals will save her.
I read somewhere that GENERALLY the best foals are the first 3 born. Anyone else ever heard that?
I think it really depends very heavily on what stallions the mare was bred to. In the case of Battle Creek Girl, it wasn't until Wavering Monarch that she hit a home run.. and continued to do so, with Clever Trick, Phone Trick, Kingmambo and Danzig.
Stud fee alone is no guarantee of a good offspring, and in the case of Vailmont, it would seem natural to me to take her to a son of Danzig. Brahms offers some interesting aspects. Stormy Atlantic does not seem to offer Vailmont anything at all, in my opinion. She is half sister to Syncline, Seebe, Skillington and Rimrod, all stakes winners and all by Danzig. Her dam sure was a producer.
Stud fee alone is no guarantee of a good offspring, and in the case of Vailmont, it would seem natural to me to take her to a son of Danzig. Brahms offers some interesting aspects. Stormy Atlantic does not seem to offer Vailmont anything at all, in my opinion. She is half sister to Syncline, Seebe, Skillington and Rimrod, all stakes winners and all by Danzig. Her dam sure was a producer.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
Springboro,
I happen to be a huge fan of this family, meaning Annie Edge's, having gotten to know some of her children, especially Seebe, personally. We have a Syncline 2yo. gelding, and yearling filly from our Cozzene mare, and they're both very nice individuals. As Madelyn says, old Annie Edge was quite a producer. Our friend Mr. Strawbridge found the formula with her and Danzig, for sure! I'd love to see Vailmont get a shot at a Danzig son herself.
A doctor told me once that it's the mare who contributes the differentiated energy producing cells (mitochondrial DNA) exclusively to a foal. That's why I've always believed in good female families bolstering a pedigree more than stallions, per se. Good stallions can certainly upgrade mediocre mares, but good mares can also "make" stallions. For example, how good is Toussaud? Of course she was an amazing racemare herself, and got to top stallions as a result, but all different ones...and she still produced five graded winners by different fathers! Extraordinary.
I happen to be a huge fan of this family, meaning Annie Edge's, having gotten to know some of her children, especially Seebe, personally. We have a Syncline 2yo. gelding, and yearling filly from our Cozzene mare, and they're both very nice individuals. As Madelyn says, old Annie Edge was quite a producer. Our friend Mr. Strawbridge found the formula with her and Danzig, for sure! I'd love to see Vailmont get a shot at a Danzig son herself.
A doctor told me once that it's the mare who contributes the differentiated energy producing cells (mitochondrial DNA) exclusively to a foal. That's why I've always believed in good female families bolstering a pedigree more than stallions, per se. Good stallions can certainly upgrade mediocre mares, but good mares can also "make" stallions. For example, how good is Toussaud? Of course she was an amazing racemare herself, and got to top stallions as a result, but all different ones...and she still produced five graded winners by different fathers! Extraordinary.
Me too, Des. I find dam info particularly useful when trying to assess baby races and whether or not a runner might do well with a surface switch. If I see a first time starter out of a winning mare, who's had a good percentage of winners/starters, I'll play it.
Our mare is from a stakes winner and 100% producer herself, who had 10 foals, 10 starters, 10 winners and 2 SW. So far, our mare's first two have started (ironically, both won their 2nd lifetime starts and both were DQ'd, though the oldest went on to win the next time out and is now a 2-other than. We'll see if his sister does, too, her next trip.) It's wonderful to have that kind of progeny so far. The 2yo. hasn't started, but is training well, and the yearling will be coming over for breaking in the fall.
Our mare is from a stakes winner and 100% producer herself, who had 10 foals, 10 starters, 10 winners and 2 SW. So far, our mare's first two have started (ironically, both won their 2nd lifetime starts and both were DQ'd, though the oldest went on to win the next time out and is now a 2-other than. We'll see if his sister does, too, her next trip.) It's wonderful to have that kind of progeny so far. The 2yo. hasn't started, but is training well, and the yearling will be coming over for breaking in the fall.