brilliant mischief

[Daisy Jal Dastur]

Hi gang,

I bred this filly and sold her to mike Doyle a few years ago. She's had her issues and hasn't done nearly as well as expected. There is a chance for me to buy her back for breeding purposes and I wanted to get your opinions on her (I had her dam, and her dam, as well). Brilliant Mischief (Royal Academy - Jolie's Angel, by Briartic) OF NOTE, she is tail-female to Black Helen (8th gen) and La Troienne (9th gen). Also, who would be the best match for her (looking in Ky..... under 100K).

Thanks!

[Maven]

I'd run full speed to Rahy and not look back. He LOVES Northern Dancer blood and Nijinsky has been a solid cross with him. I'm breeding a Soviet Star mare to him and Ann Peters told me he wont be any more than 60k next year and that they're looking for anything with Northern Dancer on the bottom.

[Daisy Jal Dastur]

Thanks, Maven..... I forgot to mention that I'm wanting to breed, to sell... but I guess Rahy would fulfil that requirement, too!

[Maven]

Rahy's sell if they have enough page. If you got a filly out of the mix, I'd be second guessing selling though if you like the breeding game.

[Rokeby Forever]

Don't listen to Maven - go with Rahy!

Wait a sec...I just read what she wrote. She must have read my mind.

[Daisy Jal Dastur]

Don't listen to Maven - go with Rahy!

Wait a sec...I just read what she wrote. She must have read my mind.

LOL... I see you got a bit ahead of yourself there, Roke!

Maven, hom much do you think a '08 season with Rahy would come out to??

[Maven]

No more than 60k. I think they'll leave him at that. All in all, with boarding and sales prep, you'll get the foal to a sale for less than the 100k you're willing to spend on a fee... Its a win/win to me.

[madelyn]

I would actually question whether Brilliant Mischief has the kind of page to get the offspring "up" in the catalog and justify that much of a stud fee. This past Keeneland sale was brutal to mares like her. And only 12 of the 27 Rahy's sold at KEESEP returned anything to the breeder, so 15 of them had the breeder in the red. Including the breeder of hip #3011 who sold for $3500.

[edited to add more] I ran an analysis of Royal Academy as a broodmare sire. Of the 21 GSW's produced by his daughters, four were by horses featuring Mr. Prospector, one by a Hail to Reason line, 1 by a Blushing Groom horse and NINE with returns of Northern Dancer on the sireline. I like this mare with ARTIE SCHILLER or KITTEN'S JOY.

[kimberley mine]

Daisy, where are you and the mare located? According to your avatar/signature you are in Toronto.

If Brilliant Mischief is in Canada, why not send her to the grand old man Ascot Knight at Windfields? Her dam's best offspring, Brilliant Mischief's half-brother, was by Ascot Knight. He won over $180,000 before dying in a freak on-track accident (collision w/loose horse). Ascot Knight also has a $300,000 earner out of a Briarctic mare, Danzig over Briarctic is the cross that produced Langfuhr, and Danzig sons (mostly through Danehill, so take that for what it's worth) over Royal Academy mares have had good success down under.

[Daisy Jal Dastur]

Daisy, where are you and the mare located? According to your avatar/signature you are in Toronto.

If Brilliant Mischief is in Canada, why not send her to the grand old man Ascot Knight at Windfields? Her dam's best offspring, Brilliant Mischief's half-brother, was by Ascot Knight. He won over $180,000 before dying in a freak on-track accident (collision w/loose horse). Ascot Knight also has a $300,000 earner out of a Briarctic mare, Danzig over Briarctic is the cross that produced Langfuhr, and Danzig sons (mostly through Danehill, so take that for what it's worth) over Royal Academy mares have had good success down under.

Hi Kimberley,

Yes, both the mare and I are in Toronto (I'm actually her breeder, and she's right across the barn from where we are, at Woodbine). I also bred and raced her half-brother, Ruxsh (believe me, he was MUCH, MUCH better than what he had shown to-date... and that horrible accident still brings tears to me eyes, to this day!) Ascot Knight is definitely a nice choice - he's always been one of my grand, old favourites.... nice, talented, honest horses, and he's becoming a pretty good BM sire. But, very unfortunately, he doesn't commande much coomercial appeal to the masses anymore.

The only thing about this mare (and the main reason I sold her as a yearling) is that she just doesn't have that 'heart' and willingness to beat the other horses. And, I just don't know how much of that trait would be passes along to the offspring. Having said that, her dam and half-brothers and sisters were all gutsy, competitive horses.... so, who knows??

[kimberley mine]

Okay, how about some other sons of Danzig? I think the cross is a good one and has been well-proven...

Belong to Me is reasonably priced, gets useful horses on the track, and has a nice bottom line for your mare. His numbers are a bit skewed by shuttling to Australia, so keep that in mind.

If you don't mind 3x4 Briarctic (and I don't see why that would be a problem), there's Langfuhr. I wouldn't pay more than $25k for him if you're planning to sell.

[Daisy Jal Dastur]

Hi Kimberley,

I have no qualms about the cross - it's definitely effective. I was actually going to breed the dam of this one to Belong to Me in his first year at NY - they offered him at a special price of $4K! Oops

I really like Langfeur, BUT I would be very weary of inbreeding to Briartic... while he was a very durable runner, he also passed along VERY crooked knees to his progeny and this filly's damside wasn't the best conformed group!

Many thanks for your input and suggestions.

[FOS]

hi Daisy Jal Dastur...hi madelyn

With so many wonderful Canadian-bred racehorses and sires relatively close-up in Brilliant Mischief's pedigree (examples: Northern Dancer, Nijinsky, Nearctic, Briartic, Ben Fab), why not consider breeding her to champion racehorse and highly regarded (by many) racehorse sire Cherokee Run...himself a son of Canadian-champion and G1-Travers winner Runaway Groom, who is out of Canadian broodmare-of-the-year Yonnie Girl.

All the Canadian-bred connections aside...seems to me that Cherokee Run might be worthy consideration, and offer a number of qualities that might benefit Brilliant Mischief.

I ran an analysis of Royal Academy as a broodmare sire. Of the 21 GSW's produced by his daughters, four were by horses featuring Mr. Prospector, one by a Hail to Reason line, 1 by a Blushing Groom horse and NINE with returns of Northern Dancer on the sireline. I like this mare with ARTIE SCHILLER or KITTEN'S JOY.

Interesting...Cherokee Run is by Runaway Groom who is by Blushing Groom, a sire-line that you indicated (as I bolded above) produced a graded stakes-winner when bred to a daughter of Royal Academy (the sire of the subject mare, Brilliant Mischief)

Thoughts?

Good luck Daisy Jal Dastur, whatever your selection.

Respectfully

[Mood Swings]

For sons of Danzig, there is Survivalist standing in Ontario for $10,000. As for the Briarctic inbreeding that is interesting re: the knees. If your mare is correct and you can look past that you should consider the "big guy" in Ontario - Bold Executive. He is still commercial and the Bold Ruckus cross has worked well in your mares family.

[winds]

Not going to give you any stallion suggestions, just a note on the filly not having any guts. I worked for a man who paid 60k for a yrlng filly years ago by Torsion, with the sole purpose of her being in his broodmare band.
He ran her, she beat one horse in her whole abbrieviated race career, and that one broke down.

So, she came home and I scooted her out to the broodie band. She trained like a bear in the morning and ran like she had oversized combat boots on in the afternoon.

She produced 2 stake winners, one a Grade II winner and GrI and III placed. It's full brother was a nice NY Bred stake winner.

So, they don't necessarily have to have the fight in themselves to be able to produce it.

winds