Ended up with this mare!!

[Jenny]

You know the story, come to board, then decide they don't want the horse anymore. So I would like to know more about her " Cabbagetowner" by wiskey wisdom. Is she worth keeping to breed?

[larrygene]

Jenny, if this mare's conformation is acceptable, she has a very nice pedigree to become a useful broodmare. Hope you get her and breed her to a nice stallion.

Larrygene

[Jenny]

I already have her. She is hanging out with the rest of my broodmares. I just have to decide which ones to keep and which ones to sell. I can see her pedigree on the query I just would like to know more. Dams progeny etc. If anyone wants to post from their APR.
As far as confirmation goes. This mare is the most gorgeous thing I have ever seen. dark bay with white star. Extremely well put together and is about 16.2+ She would make a really nice warmblood, sporthorse broodie for sure. A definite 10 in the movement department as well.

[helen in FL]

I would not hesitate to breed her Holsteiner or Belgium WB.

[Jenny]

Sorry Helen but i would like a race horse. I have too many riding horses as it is. I just want to know if her dam was a stakes producer etc.

[JaradM]

Her Dam is a stakes winner, and looks like she produced around 3 winners but the info in the database is not up to date.

Her 2nd Dam ran second in the G1 Deleware Handicap & won some others and made over $140K back in the 70's.

This would not be a tough decision for me.

[Jenny]

Thank you JaradM. I guess that is a yes in the breeding department.
I just looked her up here on the query and she is a descendant of Aloe. through Persian Made. Maven was just commenting on her lines. I have another mare from the same lines. ( not as successful) I had no idea. And since there is black type throughout I guess I will keep her. AWESOME I finally have a half decent mare!!
Does anyone know anything about Ian Made? not much noted on the query.

[kimberley mine]

I think your best bet would be Mr Prospector line, preferably one with Mixed Marriage in there to capitalize on her tail-female line. Persian Maid was an excellent mare.

The most common sources of Mixed Marriage are Gone West and Known Fact. If you can find Tentam, who died young, so much the better.

I believe in your post about Jenny Bug you said you were willing to ship to NY or KY.

In New York, look at Western Expression. This son of Gone West has had decent results so far. You may want to pay fairly close attention to physical matchups in this one, as he would also provide linebreeding to Broadway. That mare's descendants are not always well-regarded for soundness--but if your mare was quite sound, don't let that stop you. Western Expression's crops who are 3 or older are averaging 10 starts per foal, and 14 starts per starter. Western Expression himself made 16 starts as a 3 and 4yo.

In Kentucky, take a look at Canadian Frontier. He doesn't have foals to race, but he is nicely-bred and well-priced.

[Maven]

To go along with what KM said, another source of Mixed Marriage is Atan which can be found through his sons Sharpen Up (Diesis, Kris, Selkirk, Trempolino, etc.)

There's only a few stallions with him this side of the pond but Action This Day in Kentucky, Cetewayo in PA, and Meadaaar in NY all have him.

[fastappy]

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PRAISE HER, 1984, Assert (Ire)- Sans Critique by Reviewer.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1990 Clock Ticker,Gr,f,Caro (Ire) 2 14 4 0 0 28,465 ( 88) 1.57
North America 2 YO Record 2 0 0 0 165 ( 68)
North America Turf Record 6 1 0 0 9,335 ( 79)
North America Dirt Sprints 2 0 0 0 165 ( 68)
North America Dirt Routes 6 3 0 0 18,965 ( 88)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 3 2 0 0 13,580 ( 88)
DP = 10-9-11-2-4 DI = 2.13 CD = 0.53 AWD = 8.45
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1991 1261 $26,000 $59,286 ylg ( 5/ 7) $35,000
FTFFEB 1992 176 $30,000 $32,500 2yo ( 2/ 2) $35,000
1991 Barren
1992 Tuurquesa,Dkbbr,f,Proper Reality Unraced
DP = 12-3-9-2-0 DI = 3.00 CD = 0.96
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEENOV 1992 1692 $5,500 $9,000 wlg ( 5/ 5) $20,000
1993 Upscaling,B,f,Ascot Knight Unraced
DP = 6-5-9-2-0 DI = 2.38 CD = 0.68
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
CBSSEP 1994 40 $40,144 $27,177 ylg ( 2/ 5) $6,500
1994 Praise The Lady,Dkbbr,f,Bold Ruckus 2 9 1 1 2 29,000 ( 91) 1.51
North America 2 YO Record * 5 1 0 2 20,475 ( 91)
North America Dirt Sprints 8 1 1 2 29,000 ( 91)
North America Dirt Routes 1 0 0 0 0 ( 63)
DP = 14-6-4-2-0 DI = 5.50 CD = 1.23 AWD = 5.00
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1995 1248 $57,000 $43,347 ylg ( 8/26) $15,000
OBSFEB 1996 169 $83,000 $37,750 2yo ( 1/ $15,000
1995 Thoroughbabe,Dkbbr,f,Regal Intention 7 95 10 10 14 134,598 ( 86) 0.69
North America Turf Record 6 0 0 1 2,340 ( 82)
North America Dirt Sprints 13 2 0 3 19,248 ( 77)
North America Dirt Routes 76 8 10 10 113,010 ( 86)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 12 1 2 0 13,845 ( 75)
DP = 7-2-5-2-0 DI = 2.56 CD = 0.88 AWD = 8.00
1996 Praise Hymn,B,g,Ascot Knight 2 9 0 4 0 18,459 ( 84) 0.80
North America 2 YO Record 4 0 2 0 8,939 ( 77)
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 0 ( 53)
North America Dirt Sprints 1 0 0 0 759 ( 67)
North America Dirt Routes 7 0 4 0 17,700 ( 84)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 1 0 0 0 759 ( 67)
DP = 6-5-9-2-0 DI = 2.38 CD = 0.68
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
CBSSEP 1997 117 $30,000 $24,801 ylg ( 6/20) $8,500
1997 Mr. Perpetuity,Dkbbr,c,Numerous 6 48 11 3 7 462,748 (101) 5.10
North America Turf Record 2 0 0 0 4,554 ( 83)
North America Dirt Sprints 2 0 0 0 6,018 ( 87)
North America Dirt Routes 44 11 3 7 452,176 (101)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 11 4 2 3 154,199 (101)
DP = 13-3-14-4-0 DI = 2.09 CD = 0.74 AWD = 9.09
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
CBSSEP 1998 68 $28,311 $45,377 ylg (31/47) $10,000
1999 Cabbagetowner,Dkbbr,f,Whiskey Wisdom 1 1 0 0 0 0 ( 39) 0.00
North America Dirt Sprints 1 0 0 0 0 ( 39)
DP = 7-4-5-2-0 DI = 3.00 CD = 0.89
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
CBSSEP 2000 0188 $10,179 $25,224 ylg (18/30) $7,500
2000 Executive Legacy,Dk B/,c,Bold Executive 4 26 5 1 2 242,424 ( 97) 3.48
North America 2 YO Record * 1 1 0 0 36,360 ( 93)
North America Turf Record 2 0 0 0 8,264 ( 90)
North America Dirt Sprints 18 5 0 1 197,460 ( 97)
North America Dirt Routes 6 0 1 1 36,700 ( 97)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 3 1 0 0 43,021 ( 79)
DP = 7-2-3-2-0 DI = 3.00 CD = 1.00 AWD = 6.40
At 3 2nd Sir Barton S. (R) (O) (128,500), 3rd Deputy Minister S. (R) (O)
(129,000)
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
CBSSEP 2001 0188 $0 $2,371 ylg (12/21) $5,000

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SANS CRITIQUE, 1974, Reviewer- Ian Maid by Determine.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1980 Not Covered Previous Year
1981 Frederika,Ch,f,The Minstrel
IN UNITED KINGDOM 1 8 0 0 0 0
DP = 13-3-12-0-0 DI = 3.67 CD = 1.04
1982 St. Cecilia,Ch,f,The Minstrel 2 22 3 6 3 41,761 1.98
IN UNITED KINGDOM 1 1 0 0 0 0
North America Turf Record 2 0 0 0 210
North America Dirt Sprints 18 3 5 2 38,196
North America Dirt Routes 2 0 1 1 3,355
North America Muddy/Sloppy 6 2 2 1 19,955
DP = 13-3-12-0-0 DI = 3.67 CD = 1.04 AWD = 6.17
1983 They Say So,Dkbbr,f,Alleged 2 12 3 2 0 23,320 1.93
North America Turf Record 2 0 0 0 0
North America Dirt Sprints 6 1 1 0 6,160
North America Dirt Routes 4 2 1 0 17,160
DP = 12-7-15-1-3 DI = 2.30 CD = 0.63 AWD = 7.67
1984 PRAISE HER,Dkbbr,f,Assert (Ire) 3 30 5 3 3 72,116 2.20
North America 2 YO Record 6 2 1 0 24,110
North America Turf Record 13 1 1 2 15,427
North America Dirt Sprints 9 1 1 0 18,290
North America Dirt Routes 8 3 1 1 38,399
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 1 0 0 6,900
DP = 12-2-8-4-0 DI = 2.25 CD = 0.85 AWD = 7.76
At 2 2nd Blue Mountain Futurity (R) (O) (25,000)
At 3 3rd Omni Int'l Maryland Oaks -L (100,000), White Rose S. (R) (O)
(22,500)
At 4 Won Charles Funk Memorial S. (O) (15,000)
1985 Barren
1986 Carolinian,Dkbbr,c,Caro (Ire) Unraced
DP = 14-10-14-0-4 DI = 2.82 CD = 0.71
1987 Peter Patrick,Dkbbr,c,Lord Gaylord 2 5 1 0 1 3,442 ( 88) 0.61
North America Dirt Sprints 4 1 0 1 3,442 ( 88)
North America Dirt Routes 1 0 0 0 0 ( 60)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 1 0 0 1 742 ( 74)
DP = 14-9-11-1-1 DI = 3.80 CD = 0.94 AWD = 6.00
1988 Barren
1989 Bias,Ch,f,Believe It
DP = 15-6-17-0-0 DI = 3.47 CD = 0.95
1990 Dashing Prince,Ch,c,Believe It 6 39 4 3 8 41,523 ( 82) 0.77
North America 2 YO Record 11 0 1 4 9,330 ( 77)
North America Turf Record 13 2 0 2 13,850 ( 82)
North America Dirt Sprints 17 0 2 6 14,470 ( 82)
North America Dirt Routes 9 2 1 0 13,203 ( 80)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 0 0 1 1,529 ( 69)
DP = 15-6-17-0-0 DI = 3.47 CD = 0.95 AWD = 12.50
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1991 1296 $25,000 $19,141 ylg ( 9/28) $20,000
FTFFEB 1992 191 $35,000 $27,870 2yo ( 3/10) $20,000
1991 Barren
1992 Barren
1993 Complicated Life,Ch,f,Believe It 4 17 3 1 2 10,423 ( 75) 0.35
North America 2 YO Record 1 0 0 0 193 ( 68)
North America Dirt Sprints 16 2 1 2 8,263 ( 75)
North America Dirt Routes 1 1 0 0 2,160 ( 65)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 4 1 0 1 3,003 ( 69)
DP = 15-6-17-0-0 DI = 3.47 CD = 0.95 AWD = 6.67
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1994 2511 $9,000 $13,308 ylg ( 5/13) $7,500
1994 Barren
1995 Barren

[Jenny]

Thanks guys
What about Trajectory who stands in Ontario. He is by Gone West, then I would have a horse that qualifies for all the Ontario Sires stuff, which can be very lucrative. let me know!

[Gerry]

Jenny...I laughed when I read your 1st post, I had a few come to board and decide to stay as mine! this past spring. If you do decide to go with Maven's suggestion about Diesis...Meadaaar would love to meet your "new" mare