Your thoughts on this mating please

[RandomThoughts]

I have one mare left and this will probably be my last foal. Her name is Kathy B, who I claimed years ago in her 56th start running for $3K. I accidently noticed her entry and upon doing research I found that her damside had directly produced Bed O'Roses and Challedon.
She has produced for me 1)Chanceinalifetime who broke his maiden in his first start with an 83 Beyer and developed a knee problem; 2)Country Mischief who's been slow to develop until she ran a 74 Beyer in her first grass start last summer and should be back next year; 3) A soon to be named colt by Sky Classic; 4)Queen of Chic who is a nice looking weanling by Dehere.
My gut feel is that one of the Sunday Silence stallions (Hat Trick/Silent Name) would be a good fit but I'm open to any other ideas.

[RandomThoughts]

I couldn't figure out how to reply to your PM suggestion of Sun King. Note too the presence of the very durable The Doge in the damside of both pedigrees.

[kimberley mine]

I'd take a look at Purim for her. He's been a sneaky good racehorse with an even sneakier good pedigree.

Roberto in general has done extremely well with the addition of Bois Roussel. This is one of those crosses that keeps popping up over and over through different high-quality individuals. Silver Deputy does wonderful things with Roberto and 4 of Arch's 5 Gr-1 winners (Overarching, Les Arcs, Arravale, Prince Arch) all carry Bois Roussel. So far the only high-quality Dynaformer carrying Bois Roussel I've found just happens to be an exceptionally good one--Lucarno, who won this year's St Leger.

Moving along, this would be an interesting 5x5 cross to speed influence Olympia and an additional cross of Nashua through (through Nalee). Adding both Hyperion and Nashua (usually through Mr Prospector, but not always) have both been successful with Dynaformer, and there is nothing to suggest that it won't help with Purim. Dynaformer has a Gr-3 winner who is 4x4 to Olympia.

Finally he's unproven, but your mare is well-proven, and he comes from a top-notch sire-producing family.

[Joltman]

Looks like you are giving her a good chance.

Just saw another Vinery runner from the same ff. You might ferret through to see what they've bred to through that line to see if anything jumps out.

Gulch maybe (Nasty storm)

http://www.vineryracing.com/horse_pedigree.asp?id=48

jm

[geowarrior]

I don't know that what I can say about Kathy B. will be too helpful but first I had a more general comment about Kimberly Mine's assessment of the Dynaformer/Bois Roussel cross that produced Lucarno. The St. Leger, of course is the longest race in the English Triple Crown series, although it is held on the turf.

Dynaformer offspring perform both on dirt and turf, as Purim himself did. So I'm interested in Kimberly Mine's comments because we now have our new Marathon BC race as well as at least one long distance prep race already carded. The introduction of a series of races like this, imo has potentially very positive implications for the breed, but initially there will, I imagine, be questions about matings likely to produce marathon competitors and I'm thinking also that until we have lots and lots of marathons people will want the offspring of these matings to be able to race at shorter distances also. Also, you want to make sure that durability fits into the picture. There's no point having a horse with the stamina to stay the distance but who's too fragile to run more than a couple of races.

Dynaformer, as well as being a source of stamina, has been a model producer of durable offspring, Barbaro notwithstanding, and Purim himself is a durable specimen. If Purim really does have the pedigree to become a good producing sire son of Dynaformer (he'd really be the first good one, as Blumin Affaire did not really set the world on fire), then here is a possible alternative source of longer distance runners to some of the more obvious suggestions made on other threads, and as well, if insufficient long distance dirt races are carded, turf is still an option.

I'm not sure what your plans are for Kathy B., but if Purim produces the best of himself and his sire as well as the best of the characteristics of the suggested cross, then a very versatile runner might result. I like the idea of Purim a lot, but one caution might be that if he is like his sire Dynaformer, the offspring might not be extremely precocious. Dynaformer does sire winning two year olds but is not near the top of the list in terms of numbers of winning two year olds, so you might have to be prepared for a late two year old or early three year old start.

I love Dynaformer, and would surely like to see him produce at least a couple of good sires in his final years at stud. I think the chances of this are very good, as with his more recent success people are not so quick to geld his male offspring as they once were.

There is another son of Dynaformer at stud in Texas called Dynameaux, who was a pretty good racehorse and who has just had his first winner from his first crop. I don't know that the quality of his female family is equivalent to that of Purim, but he may be another to consider for the future, but not for Kathy B. if this is to be her last foal.

If you decide to go with the Sunday Silence connection for Kathy B., I really like the race record, pedigree and looks of Hat Trick if he matches conformationally with your mare. I've been watching the Japan racing on TVG recently and I think the quality of racing there is very high, so his good racing record I think is very meaningful.

I don't think I'm clear about whether you are breeding to sell or to race. I find it hard to assess how saleable the offspring of Sun King, Purim, and Hat Trick are likely to be, so of all the suggestions made, from a sales standpoint Gulch might be the safest.

[RandomThoughts]

I was unaware of the Nasty Storm connection to my mare. I looked up her produce record and, unfortunately, none of her foals have raced thus far. Recently, however, she was bred to Giant's Causeway and Ghostzapper, and so it gives me something to track in the future.
Thus far I have only bred to race. I generally avoid breeding to new sires unless I see an overwhelming reason. Too few ever make it successfully, and having the nicking pattern is highly important to me.
The Hail to Reason match for this mare is quite appealing. The two best horses that I'ma Hell Raiser mares ever produced had that connection: 1)Littlebitlively, and 2)Stop Traffic. Of course, too, her Chanceinalifetime (American Chance) was cut out to be a terrific colt. But none of these came through the Roberto branch like Dynaformer/Purim.
Your thoughts are much appreciated. Any further ideas would be welcome.

[billl]

I would go with Victory Gallop.

[geowarrior]

I believe you'd have to go with him to Turkey. From the buzz on other threads, that's where he's going. Too bad, there goes one more stamina influence.