Need sire suggestions

[Northlight]

can you give a newbie some advice on possible pairings for these three gals?

Flaming Cloud (1997)
Dancing Moon (1998)
Slew Plate Special (1998) - in foal to Untuttable for '05

hoping for durable stayers - a bit old fashioned, I know. Anything point to turf in these mares? Like to keep the fee at $5,000 or less. We're in Georgia, so Florida or KY would work.

[Mahubah]

I have only looked at Flaming Cloud so far, but seeing that her dam is a full sister to Rexson's Hope makes me think immediately of the Halo sire line for her since a similar cross produced G1 winner Hal's Hope.

Sweetsouthernsaint ($2500, Ocala Stud) has shown some promise as a freshman sire of 2004 and makes a nice match on paper with the mare. To my eyes, he is a rather coarse animal and seemed heavy on the forehand when he moved, but your mare and her family were pretty tough by modern standards; the match may be suitable if the mare is a little more refined without lacking adequate bone. This would probably be the most commercially viable matchup if you needed to sell the foal.

Scottish Halo (no fee listed, Jubilee Farm) is a G3-winning son of Jolie's Halo (sire of Hal's Hope) and was at either $2500 or $3000 last year (can't remember exactly). Nice pedigree matchip with linebreeding to the important mare Almahmoud. I have never seen this horse so I don't know anything about his conformation, but if you can you'll probably want to view the potential mates for your mares and assess them yourself before booking.

Holy Mountain is a G3-winning turf stayer by Devil's Bag. He also makes a nice pedigree match with the mare but has done very little at stud so far. He stands at Emerald Pastures Farm with no fee listed, but I can't imagine that he commands all that high a fee. He was sound enough to last 31 starts.

[Mahubah]

P.S. Flaming Cloud was pretty strictly a sprinter, so you'd probably be looking at 8-9 furlongs as about the limit for the first two matings. Holy Mountain might get you a bit further or might not.

[llbean]

I'm not sure how Rocking Trick will do siring stayers; but Dancing Moon's 5x6x6 to Bull Lea (Rocking Trick's 5x7 to him and both his dam [see Randy Cat] and his damsire [see the Storm Cat/Nijinsky, Storm Cat/Roberto, and Storm Cat/Alydar nicks] like returns of Bull Lea), 6x6x6x7x7x7 to Blenheim (Rocking Trick's 2nd dam La Vire was 5x5x5x5 to his sire Blandford with three of the crosses coming through daughters), and 5x5 to Khaled (the damsire of Icecapade's best son Wild Again, Khaled is also found on the damline of Phone Trick's best daughter Phone Chatter)

All these linebreeding patterns found in the mare are positives with RT. And also note Alydar has combined with Rocking Trick's Vale female family in the GI Producer Vanishing Prairie and the GIW Vallee Enchantee.

-llbean

[Keith]

With Flaming Cloud
1. Alajwad by Storm Cat-La Affirmed by Affirmed $3500 Stud Fee
5x6 Exclusive
5x5 Bold Ruler
6x6 Almahmoud
7x7x7x8x8 Mumtaz Begum
5x6 Busanda

2. Personal First by Personal Hope-Rekindling by Affirmed winner of $469,347 and a Grade III winner $2500 Stud Fee
5x6 Exclusive
5x5 Raise a Native
5x5x6 Bold Ruler
6x6 Almahmoud

3. Sweetsouthernsaint by Saint Ballado-Sweetsoutherncross by Tri Jet winner of Gr. III What a Pleasure S. $2500 Stud Fee
4x5 Cosmah
5x5x5 Turn-To
5x5 Olympia

4. Honor Glide by Honor Grades-Becky Branch by Run the Gantlet Multiple Grade I winner of $1,397,187 winning the 1 1/2 mile Gr. I Sword Dancer H. on the turf $4,000 Stud Fee
5x5 Bold Ruler
6x6 Almahmoud
5x5 Buckpasser
5x5x6 Turn-To

5. Mr. Livingston by El Prado-Vienna Knickers by Noble Saint winner of $429,288 ECR 1:33.75 on the turf in the Miami Mile Breeder's Cup and won the Gr. III Palm Beach S. $3,500 Stud Fee
6x6 Almahmoud
5x5x6 Turn-To
5x6 Tom Fool
6x6 Roman
6x6 Native Dancer
6x6 Roman
6x6x7x7x7x7 Nearco

6. Weekend Cruise by A.P. Indy-South Sea Dancer by Northern Dancer $2,000 Stud Fee
5x5x6 Bold Ruler
5x6 Almahmoud
5x5 Buckpasser


With Dancing Moon

1. Awesome of Course by Awesome Again-Mais Oui by Lyphard winner of 5 of 12 starts $152,440 Inaugural S.,Western Border S. by 11, 4th in the Saratoga Special $2500 Stud Fee
4x5 Northern Dancer
4x5x6x6 Raise a Native
4x5 Exclusive Native
5x6 Crafty Admiral

2. Weekend Cruise by A.P. Indy-South Sea Dancer by Northern Dancer $2,000 Stud fee
5x6 Bold Ruler
5x6 Sir Gaylord
5x6x7 Somethingroyal
4x5 Raise a Native

3. Safe in the U.S.A by Gone West-Safely Kept by Horatious winner of $178,350 $2,500 Stud Fee
4x4x5 Raise a Native
5x5x6 Bold Ruler
5x6 Somethingroyal
6x6 Two Lea

4. Impeachment by Deputy Minister-Misconduct by Criminal Type 3rd Kentucky Derby $3,000 Stud Fee
3x4 Alydar
4x5 No Robbery
6x6 Good Example
6x7 Bloodroot
4x4x5 Raise a Native

With Slew Plate Special
1. Great Pyramid by Danehill-Offshore Boom by Be My Guest $2500 Live Foal
4x4x5x5 Northern Dancer
5x5x5x6x6 Natalma

2. Indy King by A.P. Indy-Queena by Mr. Prospector $2,000 Live Foal
3x4 Seattle Slew
5x6x7x7 Native Dancer

Keith



Keith

[Northlight]

this is very helpful.


Holy Mountain is very interesting - I like the way Swaps comes in through the powerful female line of Devil's Bag. What would you think about Holy Mountain with Dancing Moon, who brings her Swaps through No Robbery?

If Bill from Washington is out there - can you give me a "conduit mare" evaluation of these three?

[CS]

For Slew Plate Special I would highly recommend Hap. I know you can get a breeding through some of the state stallion auctions for him - he stands for $5k. Hap won 10-of-20 starts and $1,329,210, posting 10 Triple Digit Beyers in his last 13 starts and won 6 graded stakes.
Hap is out of three-time champion sprinter and twice champion older mare, Committed. His first foals are yearlings of 2005. His sales results have not been very good, but if you are breeding to race I think you can't miss.

[Stellaspeed]

Congrats on getting this mare,Robin was very attached to her, and tries very hard to do right by the horses she cares for. We were interested in her, but ended up with a stout little mare named You Can Too who Robin felt was at risk for being sent to a kill sale. "Tootie" is now learning to rope with my 13 year old son, and she loves it.