merse wrote:......Well, my little RF through Shenanigans baby arrived last night at 11:30
Well? Colt or filly?
Colt. Chestnut, with some bling. Very cute, very spunky little guy.
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I'm interested in this as well. I have a choice of studs from the Darby Dan contest and I really think Nobiz is worth a gamble on. I would then be looking at either a Fappiano or Graustark line mare. Too bad I have no chance that Adele Dilschneider would lease me Summer Home.... since I've never owned a thoroughbred, this is exciting for us. Will look to lease a mare or do a foal share for a breed to race.
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Baby Boi!
I'm excited to announce that my little guy finally arrived 05/31. He's got a nice size, and pretty nice looking colt.
The mare is doing well also. I have named him Will E. B. Strong. A good friend of mine says that when her husband gets mad at her!
I didn't breed her back this year, and I won't, but we'll see next year.
Texas is in trouble with racing dates and dollars, so I'm not very sure of my future right now.....anyways..thanks for all of the input and nice things said.
Theo
The mare is doing well also. I have named him Will E. B. Strong. A good friend of mine says that when her husband gets mad at her!
I didn't breed her back this year, and I won't, but we'll see next year.
Texas is in trouble with racing dates and dollars, so I'm not very sure of my future right now.....anyways..thanks for all of the input and nice things said.
Theo
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Twice as nice
Will E is the 2nd one I tried that with of my 4 foals this year. I have another filly her name is preaching sister, she's inbred to Thong.
I think we'll keep pushing and wait to see what happens.
I think we'll keep pushing and wait to see what happens.
I think that inbreeding can be a good thing, but a common definition of what the term means is necessary. I just want to throw out a few thoughts.
Lets look at inbreeding in humans. We call people who have a common ancestor in the 2nd remove 1st cousins and those who have a common ancestor in the 3rd remove 2nd cousins. Most genetist would agree that 1st cousins only have a small percent of genes in common while 2nd cousins have about the same number of genes in common as does the general population. These facts come from Dr. Phil.
Now to take advantage of a common ancestor in an inbreeding program, one must look for that ancestors desired traits and see if those traits are being passed down through the lines that you want to use.
Lets look at inbreeding in humans. We call people who have a common ancestor in the 2nd remove 1st cousins and those who have a common ancestor in the 3rd remove 2nd cousins. Most genetist would agree that 1st cousins only have a small percent of genes in common while 2nd cousins have about the same number of genes in common as does the general population. These facts come from Dr. Phil.
Now to take advantage of a common ancestor in an inbreeding program, one must look for that ancestors desired traits and see if those traits are being passed down through the lines that you want to use.
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Try it you will like it.
Try it you will like it.
Inbreeding femaleline
Hallo,
here is a list of Tailfemale breeding I've done for another forum.
Most of the mentioned Thoroughbred are German or Europeanbred Sires or dams.
As you will note several of them have even multiple line breeding
(9 Generations). Additionally I pointed to a Sire or dam and their Family number, whose peds carries one of the mentioned horses. I include some historic horses.
For obvious reasons, my list must be 'incomplete' and it's a suggestion to do some own research.
Racehorses:
Lauro 7 4x4 Lis
Soldier Hollow 5 4x4 Lisadell/Special (FS) or 5x5 Thong
Almerita 3 3x4 Cocarde
El Tango 19 6x8 Trustful
Sires and Dams:
Fitz James/Lady Fitz James (FB/FS) 4 4x4x5 Rebecca (Banyumanik, Pentathlon, Princequillo)
Young Melbourne (Sire) 25 5x5 Alexina (Spearmint, Hermione)
Early Doors (Grand dam Ennis) 2 4x4 Star (Pentathlon, Hurry On)
Golden Cloud (dam Rainstorm) 3 4x4 La Fleche
Lima (Grand dam Lateral) 7 3x4 Liebeslied (dam of Lis)
Lando (Sire) 7 4x4 Lis (Prince Flori, Paolini, Gonbarda)
Lanciano 7 3x4 Lis
Nebos (Sire) 4 7x7x7x6 Catnip
Night Devil 4 2x4 Nostrana (Nella da Gubbio tracing to Catnip)
Nanne (dam Novum, 4th dam Noretta) 4 3x3 Nella da Gubbio
Soult (Sire) 4 5x7 Beauharnais
Arratos (Sire) 9 8x8x9x6x6x8 Alveole or 8x8x6 Ibidem (Granddaughter of Alveole) (Allegretta)
Aralia 9 4x6 Alveole (Arratos, Ataxerxes)
Asta (dam Alte Liebe) 9 5x5 Alveole
Blumenmädel (dam of Bernardus) 9 9x7x4 St. Alvere
Florida (Grand dam of Fanfar) 9 5x6 St. Alvere
Avenida (dam Athenagoras) 9 5x7x7 Ibidem and/or 9x7x7x9x8x7 Alveole
Cardanil (Sire) 13 4x4 Banshee (Invasor)
Arbarah/Amora (dam Ariadne, Grand dam Love In) 9 7x8 Dame Masham
Priolo (Sire) 4 3x4 Grey Flight
Sumitas (Sire) 19 3x4 Surama
Eicidora (Grand dam Egerton) 19 6x7 Trustful
Common Grounds (Sire) 7 10x11 Bonnie Snood
Saphir (Sire) 16 5x7 Don Juan Mare (Dschingis Khan, Blaustrumpf, Magnat)
Percy (Sire) 10 3x4 Lady Langden (Sachertorte)
Nora Gough (dam Willbrook) 5 5x6x7 The Warwick Mare (Persian Gulf, Precipitation, Kalaglow)
Parta (3rd dam Pilade) 1 6x5x6x8 Ellen Horne (Caran d’Ache, Molvedo)
Tillywhim 1 5x5 Rouge Rose (Grandmaster, Three Troikas)
Grandmaster (Sire) 1 9x10 Ellen Horne (Hardiemma)
Home by Dark 9 5x6 Idle Fancy (Bluebird, Java Gold)
Traumerei 3 3x4 Blanche (Tempeltanz)
Splendour (7th dam Natalma) 2 3x3 Meteor (Danehill)
Lashaway (dam Aughrim) 24 4x4 Echidna + 4x4 Mountain Sylph (Count Schomberg)
Favor/Faustina 16 2x3 Festa (Felsenelke)
Farnesina 16 3x3 Festa
Fantasie (Granddam Ferrari) 16 6x6x7x7x7x7x6x6x6x5x6 Festa + 5x5x5 Grave and Gay
Mesange 7 3x4 Hermione (Argos, Lemon Heart)
Highland Lassie 1 3x4 Trampoline (Noholme, Hannibal)
Needlecase 4 8x9x9x7 Anticipation (Countess Oleanda, Kallisto)
Hay Fell (Granddam Hardicanute) 3 4x5 Molly Morgan (Dashing Blade, Pentire)
Coup de Folie 2 3x3 Almahmoud (Machiavellian, Exit to Nowhere)
Proposition (dam Rousay) 9 3x3 Teddington Mare (Nothing Venture)
Lady Rosebery 8 3x4 Beeswing (Perth, Pergolese)
Brig of Ayr 8 4x6 Honeysuckle (Kaliber, Osorio)
Barcaldine (Sire) 23 2x3 Birdcatcher Mare
Himalaya (dam of Indus) 16 5x6 Miss Agnes (Surumu, Mimosa, Yenna)
Hammerkop/Sirenia 19 3x3 Skirmisher Mare (Spion Kop, Cellini)
Americus A2 3x3 Novice (Lady Josephine)
Kalamoun (Sire) 9 4x4 Mumtaz Begum (Kenmare, Sternkonig)
Palariva (Granddam Kalamoun) 9 4x4 Lady Josephine
Niniche 9 5x5 Nancy (Dunamase, Lesterlin)
Mandoline 2 3x4 Charm (Kornado)
Rose of Medina 9 5x5 Lady Josephine (Golden Snake)
Alizier (sire) 20 5x8 Bella
Marinus 31 6x5 Macht
Ballyboy 6 5x6x6 Gondolette
Cuptie 6 4x5 Gondolette (Prokopios)
Edifice 6 3x4 Gondolette (Priamos, Pantheon)
Silk (dam of Master Kildare) 3 4x5 Bigottini
Cadet Roussell (sire) 4 4x4 Lady Hawthorn
Nouvelle (4th dam Chief) 4 7x7x7x7x7 Lady Hawthorn
Ansitz (Sire) 6 3x4 Adria
Aurikel (dam Aubergine) 6 4x5 Orsova
Aubergine 6 6x6x7 Orsova
Donatella (Grand dam Dschingis Khan) 6 3x4 Wiener Madel
Clover (Sire) 3 3x4x5 Pocahontas
Glut (8th dam Gonbarda) 1 5x5 Sunshine
Bush 1 2x4 Sunshine (Icy Wind, Frille)
Some additionally information about
Nuccio/Arbe:
Sire of Ivresse, (Ilix, Intendant), Fam. 14
Sire of Nucciolina (Albanova, Yesterday) Fam. 9
Appiani/(stood in Germany)
Sire of Star Appeal (Fam. 5)
Damsire of Tiger Hill (Fam. 3)
With kind regards from Germany, Bettina
here is a list of Tailfemale breeding I've done for another forum.
Most of the mentioned Thoroughbred are German or Europeanbred Sires or dams.
As you will note several of them have even multiple line breeding
(9 Generations). Additionally I pointed to a Sire or dam and their Family number, whose peds carries one of the mentioned horses. I include some historic horses.
For obvious reasons, my list must be 'incomplete' and it's a suggestion to do some own research.
Racehorses:
Lauro 7 4x4 Lis
Soldier Hollow 5 4x4 Lisadell/Special (FS) or 5x5 Thong
Almerita 3 3x4 Cocarde
El Tango 19 6x8 Trustful
Sires and Dams:
Fitz James/Lady Fitz James (FB/FS) 4 4x4x5 Rebecca (Banyumanik, Pentathlon, Princequillo)
Young Melbourne (Sire) 25 5x5 Alexina (Spearmint, Hermione)
Early Doors (Grand dam Ennis) 2 4x4 Star (Pentathlon, Hurry On)
Golden Cloud (dam Rainstorm) 3 4x4 La Fleche
Lima (Grand dam Lateral) 7 3x4 Liebeslied (dam of Lis)
Lando (Sire) 7 4x4 Lis (Prince Flori, Paolini, Gonbarda)
Lanciano 7 3x4 Lis
Nebos (Sire) 4 7x7x7x6 Catnip
Night Devil 4 2x4 Nostrana (Nella da Gubbio tracing to Catnip)
Nanne (dam Novum, 4th dam Noretta) 4 3x3 Nella da Gubbio
Soult (Sire) 4 5x7 Beauharnais
Arratos (Sire) 9 8x8x9x6x6x8 Alveole or 8x8x6 Ibidem (Granddaughter of Alveole) (Allegretta)
Aralia 9 4x6 Alveole (Arratos, Ataxerxes)
Asta (dam Alte Liebe) 9 5x5 Alveole
Blumenmädel (dam of Bernardus) 9 9x7x4 St. Alvere
Florida (Grand dam of Fanfar) 9 5x6 St. Alvere
Avenida (dam Athenagoras) 9 5x7x7 Ibidem and/or 9x7x7x9x8x7 Alveole
Cardanil (Sire) 13 4x4 Banshee (Invasor)
Arbarah/Amora (dam Ariadne, Grand dam Love In) 9 7x8 Dame Masham
Priolo (Sire) 4 3x4 Grey Flight
Sumitas (Sire) 19 3x4 Surama
Eicidora (Grand dam Egerton) 19 6x7 Trustful
Common Grounds (Sire) 7 10x11 Bonnie Snood
Saphir (Sire) 16 5x7 Don Juan Mare (Dschingis Khan, Blaustrumpf, Magnat)
Percy (Sire) 10 3x4 Lady Langden (Sachertorte)
Nora Gough (dam Willbrook) 5 5x6x7 The Warwick Mare (Persian Gulf, Precipitation, Kalaglow)
Parta (3rd dam Pilade) 1 6x5x6x8 Ellen Horne (Caran d’Ache, Molvedo)
Tillywhim 1 5x5 Rouge Rose (Grandmaster, Three Troikas)
Grandmaster (Sire) 1 9x10 Ellen Horne (Hardiemma)
Home by Dark 9 5x6 Idle Fancy (Bluebird, Java Gold)
Traumerei 3 3x4 Blanche (Tempeltanz)
Splendour (7th dam Natalma) 2 3x3 Meteor (Danehill)
Lashaway (dam Aughrim) 24 4x4 Echidna + 4x4 Mountain Sylph (Count Schomberg)
Favor/Faustina 16 2x3 Festa (Felsenelke)
Farnesina 16 3x3 Festa
Fantasie (Granddam Ferrari) 16 6x6x7x7x7x7x6x6x6x5x6 Festa + 5x5x5 Grave and Gay
Mesange 7 3x4 Hermione (Argos, Lemon Heart)
Highland Lassie 1 3x4 Trampoline (Noholme, Hannibal)
Needlecase 4 8x9x9x7 Anticipation (Countess Oleanda, Kallisto)
Hay Fell (Granddam Hardicanute) 3 4x5 Molly Morgan (Dashing Blade, Pentire)
Coup de Folie 2 3x3 Almahmoud (Machiavellian, Exit to Nowhere)
Proposition (dam Rousay) 9 3x3 Teddington Mare (Nothing Venture)
Lady Rosebery 8 3x4 Beeswing (Perth, Pergolese)
Brig of Ayr 8 4x6 Honeysuckle (Kaliber, Osorio)
Barcaldine (Sire) 23 2x3 Birdcatcher Mare
Himalaya (dam of Indus) 16 5x6 Miss Agnes (Surumu, Mimosa, Yenna)
Hammerkop/Sirenia 19 3x3 Skirmisher Mare (Spion Kop, Cellini)
Americus A2 3x3 Novice (Lady Josephine)
Kalamoun (Sire) 9 4x4 Mumtaz Begum (Kenmare, Sternkonig)
Palariva (Granddam Kalamoun) 9 4x4 Lady Josephine
Niniche 9 5x5 Nancy (Dunamase, Lesterlin)
Mandoline 2 3x4 Charm (Kornado)
Rose of Medina 9 5x5 Lady Josephine (Golden Snake)
Alizier (sire) 20 5x8 Bella
Marinus 31 6x5 Macht
Ballyboy 6 5x6x6 Gondolette
Cuptie 6 4x5 Gondolette (Prokopios)
Edifice 6 3x4 Gondolette (Priamos, Pantheon)
Silk (dam of Master Kildare) 3 4x5 Bigottini
Cadet Roussell (sire) 4 4x4 Lady Hawthorn
Nouvelle (4th dam Chief) 4 7x7x7x7x7 Lady Hawthorn
Ansitz (Sire) 6 3x4 Adria
Aurikel (dam Aubergine) 6 4x5 Orsova
Aubergine 6 6x6x7 Orsova
Donatella (Grand dam Dschingis Khan) 6 3x4 Wiener Madel
Clover (Sire) 3 3x4x5 Pocahontas
Glut (8th dam Gonbarda) 1 5x5 Sunshine
Bush 1 2x4 Sunshine (Icy Wind, Frille)
Some additionally information about
Nuccio/Arbe:
Sire of Ivresse, (Ilix, Intendant), Fam. 14
Sire of Nucciolina (Albanova, Yesterday) Fam. 9
Appiani/(stood in Germany)
Sire of Star Appeal (Fam. 5)
Damsire of Tiger Hill (Fam. 3)
With kind regards from Germany, Bettina
camar711 wrote:This is an old thread but wanted to ask if anyone has done a 3 X 3 on Weekend Surprise and if so, with any success? I am considering doing such a breeding for 2012 but am looking for some expert opinions
3 x 3 linebreeding to Weekend Suprise has produced several good horses, including champion Stevie Wonderboy and G3 winner Mad Flatter.
Stevie Wonderboy...that's right! I ended up picking up this girl by Tiger Ridge http://www.pedigreequery.com/daring+tiger and was thinking I might try breeding her to an A.P. Indy son here in FL. I am somewhat leaning towards Indy Wind but I have not seen him in the flesh yet. I plan on attending Journeymans stallion show in January. She's a nice girl, decent size and smoothe plus a nice big hip but her front legs leave a little to be desired...i.e. offset knees so I have to be careful with that.