Breeding Advise ... Any Suggestions????

[Lynne]

Hi All ... Been visiting this site on/off for several years looking up pedigrees and so on. Have wanted to get involved in breeding & raising race horses since I was a kid. Was able to acquire 2 mares 2 1/2yrs ago and another 2 last fall. One of my origional mares, Darby Princess, was bred to Viareggio in Ill. which produced a wonderful filly that I plan to keep to race, finaces permitting, and eventually breed.

Anyway with breeding season closing fast upon us and me with too many sleepless nights reserching stallion, upon stallion in Ill. I'm still not sure which way to go. I have a couple thoughts, but would appreciate some additional imput on what might cross well with the girls. I am on a shoe-string budgit currently, since the golf course/resort I work at is closed for the winter.

My Mares' names are:
Darby Princess
Jade Princess2
El's Wish
Truly Regal Dream

Any and all imput is greatly appreciated and will add that to my mind mix cocktail. Tonight, yeah another late one.

Thanks Much in advance, Lynne

[madelyn]

Interesting fiction posted under Darby Princess on her pedigree here, this is the APR information about her and her siblings:

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ROYAL ROONEY, 1987, Summing- Empress Rooney by Upper Nile.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1992 South Beach,f,Strike Gold 4 21 3 1 1 14,756 ( 75) 0.45
North America Dirt Sprints 21 3 0 2 13,556 ( 75)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 0 0 0 100 ( 61)
DP = 11-3-9-1-0 DI = 3.36 CD = 1.00 AWD = 6.00
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
FTKNOV 1993 195 $3,500 $8,817 ylg (19/22) $2,500
1993 Start To Day,f,Buckfinder
IN PUERTO RICO 2 14 0 1 1 2,924
DP = 1-7-15-1-0 DI = 1.82 CD = 0.33
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
FTKNOV 1993 254 $2,800 $2,800 wlg ( 1/ 1) $3,000
OBSJAN 1994 709 $5,000 $5,675 ylg ( 5/ $3,000
1994 Unnamed,f,Little Missouri
DP = 3-3-5-1-0 DI = 2.43 CD = 0.67
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
FTKNOV 1994 264 $2,000 $6,744 wlg ( 9/ 9) $1,500
KEESEP 1995 3517 $4,000 $13,458 ylg (15/18) $1,500
OBSAPR 1996 1226 $5,700 $5,175 2yo ( 2/ 4) $1,500
1995 Sum Dancer,f,Minshaanshu Amad 6 71 8 12 8 84,150 ( 86) 0.62
North America 2 YO Record 3 0 0 0 2,510 ( 74)
North America Turf Record 5 0 0 0 1,050 ( 82)
North America Dirt Sprints 43 5 7 4 26,139 ( 84)
North America Dirt Routes 23 3 5 4 56,961 ( 86)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 11 3 1 1 43,097 ( 86)
DP = 7-3-8-1-1 DI = 2.33 CD = 0.70 AWD = 6.81
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1996 3705 $900 $2,400 ylg ( 4/ 6) $1,000
1996 Darby Princess,f,Salem Drive 1 6 0 0 1 830 ( 34) 0.06
North America Dirt Sprints 6 0 0 1 830 ( 34)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 1 0 0 0 50 ( 23)
DP = 4-1-8-3-0 DI = 1.29 CD = 0.38
1997 Mr. Summing,c,Mt. Magazine Unraced
DP = 9-5-9-1-0 DI = 3.36 CD = 0.92
1999 Scarlet O'hara,f,Just A Cat 2 14 4 4 2 116,060 ( 96) 2.96
North America 2 YO Record 6 1 2 2 34,560 ( 84)
North America Dirt Sprints 14 4 4 2 116,060 ( 96)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 3 3 0 0 52,920 ( 96)
DP = 4-2-9-1-0 DI = 1.91 CD = 0.56 AWD = 5.88
At 3 2nd Violet S. (R) (O) (83,000)
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Ditto for Jade Princess:
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RUNNIN PRINCESS, 1985, Prince Aries- Robadan by Prince John.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1991 Princess Finesse,f,Rising Raja 3 32 1 1 3 6,370 ( 69) 0.14
North America 2 YO Record 4 0 0 0 233 ( 58)
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 0
North America Dirt Sprints 24 1 1 2 5,190 ( 69)
North America Dirt Routes 7 0 0 1 1,180 ( 56)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 1 0 0 0 210 ( 57)
DP = 9-4-4-5-0 DI = 2.14 CD = 0.77 AWD = 6.00
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEESEP 1992 3141 $5,200 $5,200 ylg ( 1/ 1) $1,000
1993 Lost Princess,f,Lost Code 2 2 0 0 0 0 ( 52) 0.00
North America 2 YO Record 1 0 0 0 0 ( 52)
North America Dirt Sprints 2 0 0 0 0 ( 52)
DP = 1-4-7-1-1 DI = 1.55 CD = 0.21
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
FTKNOV 1993 313 $20,000 $22,750 wlg ( 5/ $12,500
FTKJUL 1994 156 $16,000 $33,520 ylg (27/35) $12,500
1995 Hard Pack,c,Lost Code 5 54 1 5 7 14,920 ( 69) 0.13
North America 2 YO Record 1 0 0 0 0 ( 39)
North America Dirt Sprints 44 1 5 6 13,742 ( 69)
North America Dirt Routes 10 0 0 1 1,179 ( 63)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 10 0 0 1 1,039 ( 63)
DP = 1-4-7-1-1 DI = 1.55 CD = 0.21 AWD = 5.50
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
FTKAPR 1997 130 $6,500 $26,667 2yo (16/18) $15,000
1996 Prince Of Dixie,c,Dixie Brass 1 2 0 0 0 0 ( 46) 0.00
North America Dirt Sprints 2 0 0 0 0 ( 46)
DP = 3-2-8-1-0 DI = 1.80 CD = 0.50
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEENOV 1996 3686 $5,000 $10,233 wlg ( 5/ 6) $5,000
WASAUG 1997 159 $10,000 $14,217 ylg (14/24) $5,000
1997 Jade Princess,f,Diazo Unraced
DP = 6-3-6-2-1 DI = 2.00 CD = 0.61
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
KEENOV 1997 4136 $2,500 $1,767 wlg ( 1/ 3) $4,000
1998 Princejuandiaz B B,c,Diazo Unraced
DP = 6-3-6-2-1 DI = 2.00 CD = 0.61
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
FTMOCT 1999 229 $5,000 $5,211 ylg ( 4/ 9) $4,000
OBSAPR 2000 0303 $5,700 $5,700 2yo ( 1/ 1) $4,000
1999 Prince Dom B B,c,Dominated Unraced
DP = 5-3-13-1-0 DI = 1.93 CD = 0.55
2000 Prince Peter B B,c,Dominated
DP = 5-3-13-1-0 DI = 1.93 CD = 0.55
SIRE 0.57 Spi, 43str, 24%2yo, 10%1st, 8%Mud/228sts, 10%Tf/63sts, AWD 7.1
DAM(up) 0.14 Dpi, 3 2yostr/0wnr, 0%Mud/11sts, 1 Tfstr/0wnr, 0
Rtestr/0wnr, AW
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El's Wish -- who made up all that stuff?

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STERLING WISH, 1986, Lyphard's Wish (Fr)- Plaisir D'amour by What A Pleasure.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1992 Barren
1993 Slipped
1994 Sterlingreputation,c,Western Playboy Unraced
DP = 6-1-7-0-0 DI = 3.00 CD = 0.93
1995 Western Wish,f,Western Playboy 3 18 3 1 0 57,560 ( 85) 1.48
North America 2 YO Record 3 1 0 0 12,600 ( 69)
North America Turf Record 1 0 0 0 0 ( 67)
North America Dirt Sprints 15 3 1 0 56,660 ( 85)
North America Dirt Routes 2 0 0 0 900 ( 69)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 0 0 0 0 ( 75)
DP = 6-1-7-0-0 DI = 3.00 CD = 0.93 AWD = 6.17
1997 Bird Hunter,f,Roscius 3 26 2 3 3 10,509 ( 71) 0.16
North America 2 YO Record 2 0 0 0 150 ( 42)
North America Dirt Sprints 25 3 3 4 10,459 ( 71)
North America Dirt Routes 1 0 0 0 50 ( 47)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 6 1 1 0 1,191 ( 63)
DP = 6-6-13-7-4 DI = 1.06 CD = 0.08 AWD = 6.00
1998 Noble Wish,f,Magloire 3 29 1 5 4 80,730 ( 81) 1.06
North America 2 YO Record 4 0 0 0 2,340 ( 62)
North America Turf Record 12 1 2 2 48,700 ( 81)
North America Dirt Sprints 4 0 0 0 2,340 ( 62)
North America Dirt Routes 13 0 3 2 29,690 ( 81)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 5 0 0 0 3,660 ( 69)
DP = 6-2-7-5-2 DI = 1.10 CD = 0.23 AWD = 8.50
1999 Wyoming Wish,f,Western Playboy 2 14 0 0 0 6,120 ( 71) 0.16
North America 2 YO Record 5 0 0 0 0 ( 53)
North America Turf Record 2 0 0 0 1,980 ( 71)
North America Dirt Sprints 5 0 0 0 315 ( 66)
North America Dirt Routes 7 0 0 0 3,825 ( 62)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 2 0 0 0 315 ( 54)
DP = 6-1-7-0-0 DI = 3.00 CD = 0.93
2000 El's Wish,f,Canaveral Unraced
DP = 9-2-7-0-2 DI = 2.64 CD = 0.80
SIRE 1.20 Spi, 33str, 27%2yo, 5%1st, 8%Mud/53sts, 10%Tf/10sts, AWD 6.2
DAM(w) 0.72 Dpi, 4 2yostr/1wnr, 7%Mud/15sts, 3 Tfstr/1wnr, 4 Rtestr/1wnr, AWD 6.4
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
ILLOCT 2001 0011 $3,000 $2,867 ylg ( 2/ 3) $2,500
2001 Sterling Road,g,Magloire Unraced
DP = 6-2-7-5-2 DI = 1.10 CD = 0.23
SIRE 1.02 Spi, 74str, 35%2yo, 4%1st, 16%Mud/173sts, 13%Tf/253sts, AWD 7.0
DAM(w) 0.72 Dpi, 4 2yostr/1wnr, 7%Mud/15sts, 3 Tfstr/1wnr, 4 Rtestr/1wnr, AWD 6.4
2002 Barren
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and now Truly Regal Dream

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TRULY REGAL, 1990, Megaturn- Vaguely Regal by *Vaguely Noble.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI
1997 Big Al's Pal,g,Time To Explode 3 31 5 6 2 51,308 ( 87) 0.68
North America Turf Record 2 0 0 0 1,476 ( 81)
North America Dirt Sprints 17 2 2 2 17,044 ( 77)
North America Dirt Routes 12 3 4 0 32,788 ( 87)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 4 0 0 0 1,360 ( 66)
DP = 2-3-9-0-2 DI = 1.46 CD = 0.19 AWD = 7.36
1998 Lil' Drummer Boy,c,Spanish Drums Unraced
DP = 5-6-9-0-2 DI = 2.38 CD = 0.55
1999 Bud Bud,c,Bounding Basque Unraced
DP = 5-8-11-2-4 DI = 1.61 CD = 0.27
2000 D. R. Doug,g,Ocean Crest Unraced
DP = 5-3-12-0-2 DI = 1.75 CD = 0.41
SIRE 1.11 Spi, 63str, 36%2yo, 14%1st, 13%Mud/84sts, 13%Tf/125sts, AWD 7.2
DAM(w) 0.68 Dpi, 0 2yostr/0wnr, 0%Mud/4sts, 1 Tfstr/0wnr, 1 Rtestr/1wnr, AWD 7.4
2001 Truly Regal Dream,f,Perfect Vision Unraced
DP = 4-4-10-0-2 DI = 1.86 CD = 0.40
SIRE 0.26 Spi, 7str, 29%2yo, 0%1st, 20%Mud/5sts, 0%Tf/2sts, AWD 7.0
DAM(w) 0.68 Dpi, 0 2yostr/0wnr, 0%Mud/4sts, 1 Tfstr/0wnr, 1 Rtestr/1wnr, AWD 7

[doublete]

Not to shoot you down, but if I were you I'd sell all four, and end up with ONE nice one (winner, with blacktype) and breed that one. It's hard to do this on a shoestring budget, and in your case you're kind of throwing good money after bad IMHO>

Maybe I'm wrong though, but from first glance looking at the APR that's what I'd say.

[madelyn]

doublete is correct, I hope you didn't "buy" these mares at inflated prices based on the fictional lives made up for them in the comments on the query board.... none of them are remotely like what is said about them in those comments. They are your basic $300 horses unless they are well trained/sound/nice conformation and could do something else.

[aurora]

Dear Lynne, I don't know if you are the one that entered the information about these mares on their pedigree pages but most of it is not correct. It is not correct because it is the convention in the TB world to speak of 1/2 siblings of the DAM, never the sire. Under these rules, Azeri would not be 1/2 sister to Diazo even though they share the same sire, Jade Hunter.

In the case of your mare Darby Princess, she is 1/2 sister to Scarlet O'Hara, Start To Day, and Sum Dance who are all produce of the same dam but is NOT 1/2 to Pleasant Drive, Jet Drive, etc.

I think brief physical comments are ok on the information page as long as they don't include subjective comments such as 'wonderful', 'sweet', etc. Some may not agree with me on this but I find them helpful as it is not always to tell from the pictures, if any, what the horse looked like. The website moderator may have rules on this...

[Lynne]

Hi Thanks for the concern, Mares weren't purchased at sky high prices, confirmation and soundness were my chief concerns, one never knows what you might find, particularly the way some trainers push their horses for their owners.

Jade we got 2/03 private sale via trainer at Fairmont
Park,sound, excellant confirmation, smooth gaited horse very fluid, we started her in dressage and some low fences, I'm kinda chicken when it comes to jumping. Her sire Diazo was a good race horse and has been throwing some nice runners up here in ILL. and his 1/2 sister Azeri is amazing.

Darby I got 3/03 via a private party, sound, built more like the old style quarter horses, than thoroughbred, very nice confirmation, bought as a broodmare was was bred to Viareggio at time and I was crazy about him.
Foal was a filly and she is just stunning, awsome confirmation, nothing slow about her at all. We are very pleased with her. The only thing we knew about Darby was that she had started some track work, never knew if she actually raced or not and that she got hurt one morining in the starting gate when a colt next to her wigged out, reared up, and came crashing down on her. She got pretty banged up and hurt her back. She shows no ill effects from that. Her sire Salem Drive I watched race as a kid and have always had a soft spot for him, I feel he might have been a better sire, had he served better mares. Who knows, breeding is always a gamble. Scarlett, her 1/2 sister finished the '04 season at around $180,000 for the Edwards Group. So I felt she had potential and her filly is wonderful. Neighbor has crossed trained her for team penning and she has been doing exceedingly well, I do some arena work and trail riding with her.

Ella we bought prior to a paddock sale last Sept/04 inconjuction with Regal from a trainer at Fairmont Park. The only data I have on Ella is that she started in her 1st race 5/23/03 and was pulled up because she started bleeding and was put on lasix. Her second start was on 8/12/03, a 3/4 miles race at Fairmont & came in 1st, netting $2,520 earnings, she is sound and has lovely confirmation and gaits, I hoping to start her this spring in dressage. Regal is sound as a rock, gentle as a kitten, and would sooner love you to dealth than run around the track. Confirmation wise she is built like her grand sire Storm Cat, bought her with 90 days training under her belt. Too sweet & gentle to race though. Thus far I haven't made any decisions with her as to what avenue to channel her strengths into yet.

All mares were bought with confirmation first on the list, bloodlines, and work ability. Up until fall of '03 I've always had and rode Quarter Horses, primarilly favoring the Poco Bueno bloodlines. My mom's father was the race horse person in the familly, he passed away approx. 10yrs ago. But the love of the sport sorta rubbed off.

Money wise, it's just that time of the year. If I chose to become a school teacher, which I had considered, the lean times would have been June through Sept.

Thanks Madelyn for the extra info on the girls, didn't know where to find it. The info on the query board from what I could see was info on various familly members, not specifically on the mares themselves. But no, I saw that after we got them. Didn't think too much about it. They were all very nice, sound, well built horses. Wasn't displeased with any of them.

Thank you Doublete for your imput as well. However I'm not that well versed in racing info lingo & so on. My grandfather would have been, he lived, breathed, & slept race horses. So please bear with me, I unfortunatly have no clue as to what APR means. I can physically look at a horse , see it's +'s & -'s and work with that type of potenial, but when it comes to numbers, stats, & figures on paper, in books, and in the computer God help me.

[doublete]

Just as a side note... School teachers have a year long contract and are paid all summer as well.



My only thought was, given the mare's particular histories, I wouldn't really want to breed for race horses. If the mare herself had no heart, didn't want to run, how can you expect her to pass that on to her foals? And their breeding isn't good enough to say that it just skipped her and would move on to the foal.

APR's are the info that madelyn posted.
But think about this.. Before you even get the foal on the ground you'll have several thousand invested.. Then another several thousand to get the foal to the track.. By SMALL accounts, you'll have a little under $10K JUST TO GET THE FOAL THERE. And then you get one win like the one mare... For $2500. Not quite a good investment.

[madelyn]

Lynne, sorry, I meant no offense, by the way... but I'm glad you are happy with your ladies and they have found a nice home. The APR is the American Produce Record, a cd which contains all of the breeding information on all registered Thoroughbreds in the US (mine covers 1950 through 2003) and includes a lot of foreign horses, if their bloodlines have crossed into the American Thoroughbred. The data on the APR are incontrovertible, in that they reflect the records the Jockey Club have and cannot be altered. You can obtain an APR cd from Brisnet, if you are so inclined, I think they run $350; I bought mine slightly used on eBay for $50. Now as to your ladies. The options you have for your mares are open, but mind I would NEVER breed a bleeder for racing. If your ladies are lofty movers, big shoulders, nice lift, good conformation, you might look at warmblood approval and going that way... Illinois does have some good incentives, I believe, so here goes....

for Truly Regal Dream, you might check out City By Night who is in Illinois at $1K

for El's Wish you could look at Chicago Six, who is in Illinois at $2500 (El's Wish is the better of the four mares you have)

for Jade Princess you could check out Hasten to Add, who is in Illinois, fee listed as private

for Darby Princess you could check out Pleasant Minstrel who is in Illinois for $500...

for contact information, etc., go to www.stallionregister.com and enter the horse's name... you could certainly look at others but at first glance these were reasonable values for your ladies..

[Briscomomma]

Something to consider is that the APR records posted above for these mares aren't all correct either, I guess because they are out of date. El's Wish did indeed race, in both 2003 and 2004, not sure why it shows her as unraced for 2003. Granted, she's lightly raced, but I think had probably close to 10 starts all together. I think Lynne is reading from the back of her papers, just wins?

I'm certain of this because I worked for the stable that trained her and ran her myself. And taking El's Wish to the paddock is not an event that one forgets easily. The records posted above also have some of Truly Regal's offspring listed as unraced that definitely did run (again, I ran them myself - Lynne bought 3 of her horses from the stable I work for.) El's main problem was the absolute hatred of the track lifestyle and racing itself - washed out in the paddock before every race and was extremely nervous in that atmosphere. Glad she has a good home away from the track, she's a good girl and deserves a good life after the track that she hated so much.

[Lynne]

Madelyn -Thank You for your suggestionsand your apology is duelly noted. And thank You for explaining what APR means. Ironically Gary's Hasten To Add was one I've been considering for Jade for over a year. Never considered Pleasant Minstrel for Darby, though. Will take another look. I was so happy with her filly by Viareggo that I glanced at other stallions & came back to him. I am very pleased with her filly, she has alot of spunk and attitude.

Doublete - Your comments were not unexspected. No doubt, none of the girls will approach what your particular standards are, but I'm not looking for the next Kentucky Derby winner either. And think for a moment how short changed this world would have been had no one given a 2nd chance to a burned-out, scruffy little bay colt, claimer in fact, bottom of the barrel by your standards. But fortunately, someone did. Since Seabiscuit didn't wind up at the packers. Given the heart these girls have shown me and their willingness to try new things in the time I've had them, there isn't one I wouldn't go to the mat for.

Briscomomma-Hey. Don't know who came to my aid, but Thank You. Your right all I had to go by was what was on their papers. When you get a chance please e-mail me or call And Thanks Again

[doublete]

I think I've been misunderstood Lynne. I am in no way bashing you or your mares. And Keely I fully understand taht you believe in these mares. I'm simply a little concerned that Lynne doesn't quite understand teh amount of money she's going to put into the foals, and she seems to be breeding FOR low level claimers. I can't say many people will breed with the intent of only being able to run the bottom of the barrel.

Lynne, maybe you think something different of me, but I run low level claimers. I had one nice colt, that by the grace of god I ended up with as a barely broke 2 y/o. My others are $4K claimers (as low as you can go at Suffolk). So yes I understand that all horses have their place in the world. But, one of them is a now 9 y/o gelding that has won nearly $100K in his life, is a true racehorse, loves what he does, and ran allowance early on. He has dropped down through the levels as he got older. So what I was suggesting by my run down of costs and the purse is, if you're not striving to breed the BEST race horse you can, and fully realize that you are not starting with the best stock (which you are recognizing), then it may not be worth it because the purses at the bottom are so low. And I guess just knowing that you're going to be at the bottom should be disheartening. At least if you're breeding the best quality you can, you hope they start MSW, or higher, and work their way down, not starting at the bottom.


So maybe I wasn't making sense, and I apologize. But I commend you for giving the mares a good home. And maybe I'm a hypocrite, but I guess race horses are just a totally different type of horse. And I myself wouldn't want to breed a mare for race that just 'didn't have it in her to race', because I'd rather not add to teh population of horses that I need to move off the track and retrain and find great homes for.

But, maybe I am being hypocritical. I've chosen to breed a mare of mine that was a winner, taht I raced myself. I saw her heart, I saw the conditions of her racing (she's fractious in the gate, is nervous and from a line notorious for being 'wild', but when she's in the race, she'd run on one leg if she had to), and I did research and spoke to her breeder. Her breeder had great success in their program, and my particular mare has knee chips. They corrected the soundness issues in the next foal out of her dam, and that foal is running allowance (and winning). So I know that if I correct her soundness, I've got a very talented full of heart mare that loves her job. THAT'S what I'm breeding for. I plan on running the foal myself as well. I know how much money I'm going ot put into this, but I fully expect that with the quality of the mare, and the stallion that I've picked, that the foal will be able to run MSW and won't be running bottom claimers. I have a back up plan though... I'm also breeding so that horse *should* make a nice sporthorse!

I hope that explains where my posts came from.

[Linda in TX]

Something that seems overlooked with these "$300 mares" is that they wouldn't be affordable to those on a shoestring budget if they were stakes winners and stakes producers. The challenge to backyard breeders is to do their homework thoroughly in an effort to make the most with what they have.

Glancing quickly at these mares, starting with Darby Princess, her dam Royal Rooney produced a minor stakes winner, and another runner who made 71 starts. That's about 5 times more starts than most of Storm Cat's and AP Indy's kids make. Royal Rooney is a three parts sister to Breeders' Cup Distaff winner and 1.3 million dollar earner Princess Rooney. Darby Princess belongs to La Troienne's family. There's enough positives within her four generation pedigree to warrant further scrutiny.

The next mare is Jade Princess. Her dam, Runnin Princess fired blanks but five of her seven half sisters produced black type, including a Grade 2 winner with earnings of nearly $400K. Jade Princess in from Bull Lea's family, and if this family can pop out Precocity, a Grade 1 winner with earnings of $1.8 million, a son of the unraced and obscure Aferd and a mare that hit the board only once in eleven tries, then Jade Princess might not be a total waste and deserves a hard look.

The third mare, Truly Regal Dream is from Pretty Polly's family. So was Northern Dancer's daddy.

The fourth mare is El's Wish. Her third dam is a full sister to the classy race horse Vaguely Noble, a leading sire and broodmare sire. El's Wish carries the same Relaunch and Lyphard cross as Honour and Glory and Cee's Tizzy, sire of twice Breeders' Cup Classic winner Tiznow. The sire of El's Wish, Canaveral, is out of a half sister to the broodmare sire of Awesome Again. When Awesome Again met a Relaunch mare they produced a colt named Ghostzapper. El's Wish just might be a genetic explosion waiting to happen with the right mating.

Many mares fail because their owners are too lazy to do the requisite research and take the easy road with slapped together matings. Sometimes the thoughtful breeder, who plans astutely, can revitilize a production record that's gone dormant when there's a few good genes lurking in the background. I think a dude named Tesio had a pretty good track record with doing exactly that.

[aurora]

Lynne,
You posted "Her sire Diazo was a good race horse and has been throwing some nice runners up here in ILL. and his 1/2 sister Azeri is amazing"

Please see my earlier post. In TB lingo, Azeri is NOT a 1/2 sister to Diazo.

I know that seems wierd since they share the same father but it is the mother that counts when speaking of 1/2 siblings. I didn't make up this rule and it probably stems from the fact that stallions have many more produce than does the dam.