I have a Slewpy mare, Giloopy, that I want to breed. I have a few stallions in mind but cant make up my mind. I want to hear who you guys recommend..
Here is her pedigree http://www.pedigreequery.com/giloopy
Here are some pedigrees I liked, Atticus, Calimonco, Informed, Royal Memory..
Thanks
Mating Advice for a Slewpy mare
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Barcaldine
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Why would you want to breed from a non-winning 15 year old mare that has never had a TB foal, if any at all? She has a market value approaching zero and any stud fee you would invest in her would almost certainly be wasted, not to mention the life of the resulting foal.
You wanted advice, and here it is: don't breed her.
You wanted advice, and here it is: don't breed her.
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kimberley mine
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Not just non-winning, from what I can tell, never raced.
If you are wanting to breed this mare in order to get a foal to race, Barcaldine is right. You would be spending a huge amount of money for a very low chance of return.
If you want to breed this mare and try to sell the foal at auction, you are going to pay a lot of money and get zero return.
If you want to breed this mare to have a foal to race, it will be FAR cheaper and have a MUCH higher chance of getting a horse to the races, running, and winning money if you buy a yearling or 2yo in training at Barrett's, OTBA, or WTBA. If you want to have a baby around, it's likewise much cheaper and has a greater chance of success to buy a young mare, already pregnant (so you won't spend the money of getting an older mare that way), who has a winning race record and is by a stallion whose foals run and win good money.
You can probably pick up a mare like this for about $5000 or so:
http://www.barretts.com/catalog/catjan2013/pdf/133.pdf
She won $150,000, four of her five living foals of racing age have raced and three are winners, and she sells with a breed-back to her covering sire. Three horses, for about the price of getting just your one mare in foal, AND both those foals are more likely to run and make money.
If Giloopy is a pet or special mare, and you want to breed her to try and get a successor, and you plan to keep that foal, then by all means--but you could breed her to a riding horse stallion (QH, Arabian, or warmblood) for much less up-front cost and have a better riding animal. Race-bred TBs are great for some disciplines, I love riding them, but for sport disciplines, why breed to a race-bred, race-conformation TB for a discipline that wants a different type?
If you are wanting to breed this mare in order to get a foal to race, Barcaldine is right. You would be spending a huge amount of money for a very low chance of return.
If you want to breed this mare and try to sell the foal at auction, you are going to pay a lot of money and get zero return.
If you want to breed this mare to have a foal to race, it will be FAR cheaper and have a MUCH higher chance of getting a horse to the races, running, and winning money if you buy a yearling or 2yo in training at Barrett's, OTBA, or WTBA. If you want to have a baby around, it's likewise much cheaper and has a greater chance of success to buy a young mare, already pregnant (so you won't spend the money of getting an older mare that way), who has a winning race record and is by a stallion whose foals run and win good money.
You can probably pick up a mare like this for about $5000 or so:
http://www.barretts.com/catalog/catjan2013/pdf/133.pdf
She won $150,000, four of her five living foals of racing age have raced and three are winners, and she sells with a breed-back to her covering sire. Three horses, for about the price of getting just your one mare in foal, AND both those foals are more likely to run and make money.
If Giloopy is a pet or special mare, and you want to breed her to try and get a successor, and you plan to keep that foal, then by all means--but you could breed her to a riding horse stallion (QH, Arabian, or warmblood) for much less up-front cost and have a better riding animal. Race-bred TBs are great for some disciplines, I love riding them, but for sport disciplines, why breed to a race-bred, race-conformation TB for a discipline that wants a different type?
Giloopy,
Lovely mare! She's got something magical working on her behalf, and that magic is the Nasrullah/Princequillo nick.
First in Seattle Slew, a Nasrullah line stallion over a Princequillo line mare.
Then again in Slewpy, a Nasrullah line stallion over a Princequillo line mare.
This powerful nick isn't just confined to Nasrullah/Princquillo, it works up and down the board for their sons and daughters.
In Canadian Gill we see the nick still present in Nearco/Princequillo. Northern Dancer over Princequillo line mares produced great horses: Topsider/Northern Baby/Northern Trick/ One For All.
There are several stallions in California that would work great, Storm Cat lines, Mr. P lines. I'm pressed for time right now, but I'll do some research using the wonderful features that the pedigreequery offers to find a few stallions;)
Again, lovely mare!
Jeff
Lovely mare! She's got something magical working on her behalf, and that magic is the Nasrullah/Princequillo nick.
First in Seattle Slew, a Nasrullah line stallion over a Princequillo line mare.
Then again in Slewpy, a Nasrullah line stallion over a Princequillo line mare.
This powerful nick isn't just confined to Nasrullah/Princquillo, it works up and down the board for their sons and daughters.
In Canadian Gill we see the nick still present in Nearco/Princequillo. Northern Dancer over Princequillo line mares produced great horses: Topsider/Northern Baby/Northern Trick/ One For All.
There are several stallions in California that would work great, Storm Cat lines, Mr. P lines. I'm pressed for time right now, but I'll do some research using the wonderful features that the pedigreequery offers to find a few stallions;)
Again, lovely mare!
Jeff
I like Atticus; Secretariat his dams's sire. He the epitome of the Nearco, Nasrullah/ Princequillo nick. The old adage, return the best of the dam's sire.............. Giloopy does just that in Seattle Slew again in Slewpy and again in Canadian Gil. I like it.
Again in Calimonco, his dam's sire Kris S - that potent, legendary Nearco/Princequillo nick at work again, she returns that nick in Seattle Slew/ Slewpy and Canadian Gil.
Informed; same thing, returns to that potent Nasrullah/Princequillo nick in Seattle Slew in the top of his pedigree and then again to the Secretariat in the bottom of his pedigree.
Royal Memory; again, returning that potent Nasrullah/Princequillo nick to Secretariat; his dam's sire.
Looks to me like you'v already done your homework and have things pretty well figured out already. Of your picks, I really like Calimonco, big black hoss- eye candy!
You'r the one who should be giving pedigree mating advice Galoopys! Welcome to the Thoroughbred Pedigree Forum!
Jeff
Again in Calimonco, his dam's sire Kris S - that potent, legendary Nearco/Princequillo nick at work again, she returns that nick in Seattle Slew/ Slewpy and Canadian Gil.
Informed; same thing, returns to that potent Nasrullah/Princequillo nick in Seattle Slew in the top of his pedigree and then again to the Secretariat in the bottom of his pedigree.
Royal Memory; again, returning that potent Nasrullah/Princequillo nick to Secretariat; his dam's sire.
Looks to me like you'v already done your homework and have things pretty well figured out already. Of your picks, I really like Calimonco, big black hoss- eye candy!
You'r the one who should be giving pedigree mating advice Galoopys! Welcome to the Thoroughbred Pedigree Forum!
Jeff
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Pan Zareta
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"Return to the sire the best blood of his dam". What a lovely phrase, God bless Olin Gentry for sharing it with us.
Giloopy certainly does that with each of the above mentioned stallions, she returns that wonderful Nearco, Nasrullah/ Princequilo nick that is present in the dam of each of the above mentioned stallions.
Jeff
Giloopy certainly does that with each of the above mentioned stallions, she returns that wonderful Nearco, Nasrullah/ Princequilo nick that is present in the dam of each of the above mentioned stallions.
Jeff
While I'm sure this is a perfectly lovely mare she is not of the quality you'd want to produce a racehorse in my opinion. I'd hate to see you spend money for at least 3 years only to find that you bred one that is every bit as good as those last few generations in her pedigree.
Good Luck with whatever you decide.
Good Luck with whatever you decide.
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Pan Zareta
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Jeff wrote:"Return to the sire the best blood of his dam". What a lovely phrase, God bless Olin Gentry for sharing it with us.
Giloopy certainly does that with each of the above mentioned stallions, she returns that wonderful Nearco, Nasrullah/ Princequilo nick that is present in the dam of each of the above mentioned stallions.
At this point in time the more difficult task might be to find a mating that doesn't reinforce that particular nick. Perhaps the most useful remarks that could be offered in this case is that of the four sires mentioned by the OP only one is a known quantity and has proven success with Slewpy mares, that of course being Atticus. Even he is not going to get a commercially viable foal out of Giloopy but, if the OP is determined to breed her to get a foal to race, Atticus seems the obvious choice from those four candidates, assuming the match is a physically complementary one.
I think you have selected a steep mountain to climb, with this particular mare. I agree with the posters here who have cited her lack of ability/race record and family and her age as factors in saying perhaps she is not a good candidate for breeding a racehorse.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
Giloopys,
You have a wonderfully bred mare there in Giloopy. The stallions you chose for possible matings.
Atticus, Calimonco, Informed, Royal Memory all return a well established and legendary nick, that of the Nearco/Nasrullah over Princequillo nick.
I thought of another position where Giloopy's pedigree would look promising and that would be under a stallion with Meadowlake as the dam's sire. One here in California is Boos.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/boos
He himself an example of the Nearco/Princequillo nick. I believe he's unraced but he certainly has a stellar pedigree, she reinforces that Nearco/Princequillo nick.
Ghostzapper is a prepotent powerful stallion, I'd expect this son of his to be well worth considering.
Statistically Giloopy has as much likelihood of producing a good running, winning future race horse as any.
Good luck, and have fun in your breeding and racing endeavors.
Jeff
You have a wonderfully bred mare there in Giloopy. The stallions you chose for possible matings.
Atticus, Calimonco, Informed, Royal Memory all return a well established and legendary nick, that of the Nearco/Nasrullah over Princequillo nick.
I thought of another position where Giloopy's pedigree would look promising and that would be under a stallion with Meadowlake as the dam's sire. One here in California is Boos.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/boos
He himself an example of the Nearco/Princequillo nick. I believe he's unraced but he certainly has a stellar pedigree, she reinforces that Nearco/Princequillo nick.
Ghostzapper is a prepotent powerful stallion, I'd expect this son of his to be well worth considering.
Statistically Giloopy has as much likelihood of producing a good running, winning future race horse as any.
Good luck, and have fun in your breeding and racing endeavors.
Jeff
Giloopys,
Thank You for posting your mare Giloopy and mentioning the stallions you were interested in. I'v had hours of enjoyment hypo mating Giloopy with your picks using the hypo mating feature of the pedigree query. Again, best of luck and have fun in your endeavors and future racing adventure.
Jeff
Thank You for posting your mare Giloopy and mentioning the stallions you were interested in. I'v had hours of enjoyment hypo mating Giloopy with your picks using the hypo mating feature of the pedigree query. Again, best of luck and have fun in your endeavors and future racing adventure.
Jeff
http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php? ... lor=000000
Here's one that looks interesting, 3X4 My Charmer.
Here's one that looks interesting, 3X4 My Charmer.