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Okay, talk me out of this..

Postby madelyn » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:29 am

I have a mare, Beat It, that is currently in foal to Temple City (due 3/25) that became "mine" after her owner quit paying last year. Since it looks like she isn't going anywhere I researched her and am thinking of sending her to Johar. Mill Ridge offered a decent discount on him for this mare - actually it turns out she was born and raised at Mill Ridge. My rationale is to take the mare to the sireline that WORKED with her family (ie Proud Citizen - Johar is by Gone West) and with Johar I am doubling on Sharpen Up. Naturally the "nick" is ridiculous - an F or something.

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Postby madelyn » Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:33 am

:D thanks so much! I didn't see that one. I DID put a lot into this plan, work wise. .. they certainly threw tons of money in stud fees at her in the past, and two other sons of Gone West. I just have a feeling there is more to her than that and pieces of the puzzle might have been left out. This is a mare that you probably have to throw out the nicking programs for.
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Postby erhrdt3 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:27 am

Madelyn, how exciting! I wish nothing but the very best for you and hope you are going to be raising a champion foal pretty soon!
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Postby dublino » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:17 am

Am I right that this mare hasn't produced a winner yet?

She was even bred to Galileo and that couldn't produce a winner.

Save your money and give this mare away as a trail ride horse.
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Postby erhrdt3 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:23 am

Hi Dubli!

What if this is a maiden mare though? If they have not produced, should they not be given a chance? I know you know about the peds, just asking.... :lol:
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Postby zinn21 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:40 pm

Am I right that this mare hasn't produced a winner yet?

She was even bred to Galileo and that couldn't produce a winner.

Save your money and give this mare away as a trail ride horse.
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You got the wrong horse. This is the Proud Citizen, not the Diesis; Beat It.
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Postby dublino » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:08 pm

zinn21 wrote:
You got the wrong horse. This is the Proud Citizen, not the Diesis; Beat It.


Is the Proud Citizen in the Db not a gelding?
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Postby erhrdt3 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:09 pm

Wow, Proud Citizen has alot of kids...seems just like yesterday he was racing!

Anyway, the pedinq. has the PC Beat It listed as a gelding right now, so thats probably what the confusion was about. :lol:

In any case, hope you get the foal you want Madelyn! :D
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Postby madelyn » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:21 pm

Um, the mare I have is Beat It, by Diesis (GB) out of Drums of Freedom - half sister to Proud Citizen.

dublino is right, she has not had much run; in her defense she has kind of been all over the place and does not keep her condition easily. I have to wonder if all of that shipping took its toll on her and her resulting foals. I don't know anything about her Consolidator foal; I did have her here for the Ile St Louis colt and this is the mare that came in from LA who was just skin over bones and certainly did not LOOK two weeks from foaling. That colt eventually turned out all right.
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Postby zinn21 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:37 pm

I stand corrected. This is a tough call. A half to Proud Citizen and foals who never ran or ran only a few times. Perhaps this mare's foals never had a chance. The only one who went into training was One Oak.

I would wait until she drops the Temple City. If you like the foal I would breed her. She definitely has the pedigree to throw a runner..
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Postby madelyn » Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:08 am

Yes, the foal is only 23 days away or so.. I have a foreign client very interested who will buy the foal if it is nice enough.
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Postby griff » Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:24 pm

" Talk Me Out Of This"

how many horses are you feeding now? And how many are worth anouther 12 months of board and Vet?

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Postby stlouiskid » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:14 pm

Ask yourself this, would a top breeding farm be culling this mare or breeding her? And how much can you expect to sell this yearling for? I would think $5,000 would be optimistic.