OK, this is sort of a hypothetical question, because I really don't know any details... but I am looking for opinions on the filly "She's a Royal Gift" as a potential match with Indy Mood. I know nothing about the filly other than the fact that a horseperson who I trust to have a good handle on conformation thinks she's a "beautiful horse."
Thoughts, please? Is this worth even a consideration for a racing prospect... or on the flip side, are this mare's bloodlines known for anything else, like hunter/jumper, eventing, etc?
I have a quick opinion, but as I've mentioned in the past, I am FAR from a pedigree expert. I would rather hear from some pedigree experts before making my "official" suggestions regarding this mare.
Thanks in advance!
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She's a Royal Gift
I am No Guru by any means, but I would pass on this mare for a racing broodmare prospect. There have been moderate runners in her female family, and those were mainly sprinters, but the total lack of any blacktype is a turnoff... there are some horses in there that were durable (over 50 starts) but obviously lacked competitiveness.
It costs the same to feed and foal a Nice Mare as it does any old horse. And she is a 3 year old so would be a next-year prospect in my book anyhow...
It costs the same to feed and foal a Nice Mare as it does any old horse. And she is a 3 year old so would be a next-year prospect in my book anyhow...
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
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Yikes, I would pass. Just from a quick look at the pedigree tells me it would take me a lot of time to get a handle on her and even then ABSOLUTELY no guarantee that what I found would work with her. Too many really difficult horses to analyze close up in her pedigree.
Sorry I could not be more positive.
George
Sorry I could not be more positive.
George
talk about a zero pedigree. 
...........take georges advice...after all what are friends for.....besides ...indy mood might just give you a dirty look and say in horse talk..what do you want ? silk out of a sows ear ? 
good luck what ever you decide.
...........take georges advice...after all what are friends for.....besides ...indy mood might just give you a dirty look and say in horse talk..what do you want ? silk out of a sows ear ? good luck what ever you decide.A great man cannot help himself," "He can see things that other men cannot see themselves, and his greatness lies in doing whatever is necessary to make his vision real
Hee hee hee... OK, so my first impression wasn't too far off. Someone told someone else that this mare was well-bred, and since pedigree evaluation is not my area of expertise, I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. The circumstances around this mare are odd... it's not like anyone went out looking for her or anything... she just sort of appeared on the scene and those involved are looking at their options. I'll suggest that they keep looking. 
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Roguelet, I see no problems with the potential matchup, other than that the filly is only two years of age. Most of the pedigree is good on her, other than the unremarkable tail female line. There are a lot of young progeny coming, but they also are not bred to upcoming or proven sires. So I doubt the filly's progeny would sell for much. There is a lot to like with the linebreeding to Boldnesian, Royal Charger, Bold Ruler, Somethingroyal, Sir Gaylord, and there are a lot more non-Phalaris ancestors than in most pedigrees. In particular lots of Gainsborough line, Fair Play, Tourbillon. Her owners should certainly study the alternatives, with the unusual sets of ancestors. They really need to breed her to a proven sire, to provide some upside to her catalog page.
On her sire's side, Chenin Blanc appears not to have been all that productive, but there are many other graded stakes horses descending from almost everyone else in his line, and also in her broodmare sire line. College Boards and College Bold were good producers, but Winged Universe was one of the ordinary runners of the clan. He is half-bro to Nasty and Bold, Pembroke, and two other stakes winners.
On her sire's side, Chenin Blanc appears not to have been all that productive, but there are many other graded stakes horses descending from almost everyone else in his line, and also in her broodmare sire line. College Boards and College Bold were good producers, but Winged Universe was one of the ordinary runners of the clan. He is half-bro to Nasty and Bold, Pembroke, and two other stakes winners.
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Thank you everyone for taking the time to respond. Just to clear things up, I'm pretty sure the intentions would be to breed next year, not this year as a 2YO.
I will definitely forward all of this information on to the appropriate people and let them make a decision... thanks to you all they now have a bit more information to base that decision on.
I will definitely forward all of this information on to the appropriate people and let them make a decision... thanks to you all they now have a bit more information to base that decision on.
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I know its taken me a long time but I finally found another CHENIN BLANC horse. Its the same one I was thinking about before. He is listed as 19.1 hands high 
http://equinereproduction.com/stallion_similarsomewhat.htm
http://equinereproduction.com/stallion_similarsomewhat.htm
Thank you very much! I was just in Virginia (where this filly also happens to be) and learned that the people still have her and are trying to figure out what to do with her... someone suggested racing her to see what she can do. I will forward this stallion info. to the people who have her; maybe they can contact the stallion owners and find out what his offspring have been doing.
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
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Chenin Blanc was a stakes winning horse (gr2&3 and gr1 placed) on the turf. Perhaps trying the filly on the turf at Colonial Downs would be an option?
I am trying to remember where he stood in Virginia and am not sure. Just remember how excited my mom's neighbor was when he got his mare to Chenin Blanc to be bred. He breeds to race and then many of his horses are turned into 'chasers or foxhunters after they are done on the track.
I am trying to remember where he stood in Virginia and am not sure. Just remember how excited my mom's neighbor was when he got his mare to Chenin Blanc to be bred. He breeds to race and then many of his horses are turned into 'chasers or foxhunters after they are done on the track.