Cassydora

[Green Hills]

What do you guys think would make a good match for her...oh yeah and South American Glaire...we are thinking of breeding them next year as their racing in this country has been less than what we had hoped.

[madelyn]

hmm. don't know about Glaire, but Cassydora seems perfect for Rocking Trick

[Green Hills]

hmm. don't know about Glaire, but Cassydora seems perfect for Rocking Trick

oh? how so?

[monicabee]

I was just reading yesterday in "Legacies of the Turf" about Mill Reef and the fight to save his life after he broke his leg in England. If it hadn't been for the careful work of the surgeon, Jim Roberts, and, perhaps, the decision to operate where he was, among familiar faces, to help keep him calm in the difficult recovery, he might not have survived.

Now here's Cassydora, a byproduct of the success of that operation through Shirley Heights and Darshaan, and quite successful herself, as a graded stakes winner on the turf.

I don't know enought to offer you any advice, but she's a nice representative of the Never Bend line.

[madelyn]

hmm. don't know about Glaire, but Cassydora seems perfect for Rocking Trick

oh? how so?

Following up on recommendations by some pedigree analysts, the sire line contains Mill Reef ( Never Bend & Princequillo) and Djebel through Arbar, and the damline has Nijinsky (Northern Dancer and Bull Page) and more Princequillo, Hail to Reason, Blushing Groom and Irish Castle. Depending on Cassydora's style and preferred surface to race it might be a nice cross. He is 16.1, very deep and full in the chest, with very good bone. A nicely balanced, athletic horse.

[llbean]

Just to elaborate on what Madelyn said a little; Never Bend is a profoundly important strain for Rocking Trick on account of his dam Razzi Cat producing a 3xTime GIW (Randy Cat, who once ran 1600m in a mere 1:31 and change) to to cover of Roy (a grandson of Never Bend).

Note that Razzi Cat's French dam La Vire shares the strong Fr lines of Tourbillon with Never Bend's damsire Djeddah.

Also (and just as importantly), Rocking Trick's sire Phone Trick has sired his Number One American Racing Son Favorite Trick when put to a great-granddaughter of Never Bend and this successful cross (see also the GSWs Connected, Expect An Angel, and Desert Boom) is part of a wider nick between Phone Trick's sireline and Never Bend (see the GIWs Free House, Yes it's True, Hollywood Story, Ice Point, Dantelah, Have A Champ, and Wild Desert besides Favorite Trick).

-llbean

[kimberley mine]

What do you guys think would make a good match for her...oh yeah and South American Glaire...we are thinking of breeding them next year as their racing in this country has been less than what we had hoped.

NB: Post edited for clarity.

OUT OF PLACE will beautifully tie into GLAIRE's pedigree.

For starters, he is from the Turn-To sireline, which carries Sweet Lavender through Source Sucree, and his broodmare sire is Damascus who carries Sweet Lavender through Perfume II's son My Babu. Glaire carries Sweet Lavender through Kalmia, the dam of Tourbillon-line stallion Klairon (FR).

Moving right along, we come to Tourbillon. I personally feel that he brings class into the mix, and that more is better. Out of Place brings in the aforementioned My Babu, the premier North American son strain of Djebel, and brings in an interesting cluster breeding pattern. Klairon (FR) and Kerala (dam of Damascus) are close genetic relatives bred on a similar pattern--son strain of Djebel, daughter strain of Sweet Lavender, and a mare by a son of Phalaris out of a daughter of Chaucer. I don't know if this cluster breeding pattern has been successful, as most descendants of Klairon are in Europe and South America and most descendants of Damascus are in North America, but it could prove to be quite powerful.

Next, we have Exclusive. This mare is the foundation of a strong family, whose descendants include Exclusive Native, Versailles Treaty, Exclusive Dancer, General Assembly, Jackpot, Gold Fever, Chief Honcho, American Chance, and Saarland. Out of Place's best offspring, Certain, is linebred 5x5 to Exclusive through Exclusive Native and Exclusive Dancer. An Out Of Place-Glaire foal would be linebred 5sx4d Exclusive and 5sx5d Native Dancer--without doubling up on Raise a Native.

Finally, Out Of Place a good deal for $7500. He gets about 80% runners/60% winners from foals, and his runners win about $50,000 on average. If you are planning to sell, he is not going to get you a knockout but the median price for a yearling is a little over twice his fee.

[K~2]

Green Hills, you might want to take a look at our stallion Legal Jousting.

From llbeans excellent analysis of what broodmare sirelines could potentially work well with Legal Jousting's pedigree -

Another good broodmare sire for Legal Jousting is Darshaan, a justly legendary nick with Sadlers Wells who traces back in the
female line to Frizette (13-c), the 3rd dam of Legal Jousting’s male line ancestor Tourbillon. Note also that Darshaan’s dam
Delsy was linebred 4x5 to Tourbillon himself and Darshaan’s sire Shirley Heights and Legal Jousting both trace back to the
Conduit Mare Valve (1-l) through a daughter of English Derby Winner Blue Peter.

And besides the positive of Darshaan being a very strong nick with Legal Jousting’s damsire Sadlers Wells, there is also the
positive of Darshaan’s sire Shirley Heights nicking quite nicely with Legal Jousting’s grandsire Ahonoora in the French Oaks
(FR-GI) Winner Latice.

http://www.hillsidethoroughbreds.com/mating-1/index.html for the complete article

We have pictures and a free hypo-mating on our website http://www.hillsidethoroughbreds.com

We are also offering a deal on his stud fee- book your mare before February 15, 2006 and receive a complimentary return in 2007

Thanks for your consideration
Krista

[Keith]

Stallions I would consider
Powerscourt by Sadler's Wells-Rainbow Lake by Rainbow Quest
Perfect Soul by Sadler's Wells-Ball Chairman by Secretariat
Medaglia D'Oro by El Prado-Cappucino Bay by Bailjumper
Kitten's Joy by El Prado-Kitten's First by Lear Fan
Horse Chestnut by Fort Wood-London Wall by Col Pickering

Keith

[Green Hills]

What do you guys think would make a good match for her...oh yeah and South American Glaire...we are thinking of breeding them next year as their racing in this country has been less than what we had hoped.

NB: Post edited for clarity.

OUT OF PLACE will beautifully tie into GLAIRE's pedigree.

For starters, he is from the Turn-To sireline, which carries Sweet Lavender through Source Sucree, and his broodmare sire is Damascus who carries Sweet Lavender through Perfume II's son My Babu. Glaire carries Sweet Lavender through Kalmia, the dam of Tourbillon-line stallion Klairon (FR).

Moving right along, we come to Tourbillon. I personally feel that he brings class into the mix, and that more is better. Out of Place brings in the aforementioned My Babu, the premier North American son strain of Djebel, and brings in an interesting cluster breeding pattern. Klairon (FR) and Kerala (dam of Damascus) are close genetic relatives bred on a similar pattern--son strain of Djebel, daughter strain of Sweet Lavender, and a mare by a son of Phalaris out of a daughter of Chaucer. I don't know if this cluster breeding pattern has been successful, as most descendants of Klairon are in Europe and South America and most descendants of Damascus are in North America, but it could prove to be quite powerful.

Next, we have Exclusive. This mare is the foundation of a strong family, whose descendants include Exclusive Native, Versailles Treaty, Exclusive Dancer, General Assembly, Jackpot, Gold Fever, Chief Honcho, American Chance, and Saarland. Out of Place's best offspring, Certain, is linebred 5x5 to Exclusive through Exclusive Native and Exclusive Dancer. An Out Of Place-Glaire foal would be linebred 5sx4d Exclusive and 5sx5d Native Dancer--without doubling up on Raise a Native.

Finally, Out Of Place a good deal for $7500. He gets about 80% runners/60% winners from foals, and his runners win about $50,000 on average. If you are planning to sell, he is not going to get you a knockout but the median price for a yearling is a little over twice his fee.

We are seriously going to take a look at Out of Place for Glaire. Your reasoning seems sound and so we will take a closer look. Where is he standing?

[austique]

Green Hills,

Out of Place is at Claiborne.

[BargainBlueblood]

Are you thinking KY-bred? NY-bred? PA-bred? And are you breeding to race or sell? Lastly, what's your ideal stud-free range?

[Green Hills]

Are you thinking KY-bred? NY-bred? PA-bred? And are you breeding to race or sell? Lastly, what's your ideal stud-free range?

KY or NY...Breeding mainly to race. We don't have an ideal range...what we look for is a good match at whatever price...We've paid 300K and we've paid 10K and less and more...price is secondary to a good cross to our mare.

[BenB]

Green Hills get to know your mares real good, try to get out what, had come through their dams, and try to get out whats in the offspring from the sires you would like to choose.
And than its time for paperwork the pedigrees.
Wishing you very much luck.
I stopped with breeding plans for the filly I gave away last month, because off temperamental issues, that gave serious health problems after all, while in training
The temperamental issues were also to be found in the dam, but by putting an extra line of nasrullah in it was to much.
I should look for an outbred of these lines so neither copy nor never bend
nor northern dancer

[BenB]

Maybe when I think twice, I would use SAVE THE PROFIT for cassydora
I can,t explain why, but I would think also twice on front of it.
Or I would go to a real outbred.
Was SAVE THE PROFIT trained on dirt, or on grass.
Did he ever race raced on a soft or yielding track, or only on the firm.
jmo breed her to save the profit, and race the sibbling in europe.
Lease the sibbling to me