New mare

[serenarider]

Just picked up a new mare for my herd. Would love to hear some thoughts on her pedigree and a hubby for this girl. Here is her pedigree

http://www.pedigreequery.com/pyrite+gun

Would like to stay with a fla stallion. Under 7500. breed to sell on this one;)

[Taino]

How about Forbidden Apple? On paper they look good together, I just don't know what kind of a sales sire he will make in the next year or so. And I heard he can be had for less than his advertised fee of $5K, without having to twist any limbs!

[Mahubah]

Take a look at a hypo of Repent (Cloverleaf II, $5000) with your mare -- nice! The only question I have about the mating is knees -- maybe it's just the photo angle, but your mare looks a little back at the knee. I don't think Repent is, but he may be offset -- you'd probably want to see him in person before making a decision. Commercially, he will be a first crop sire of 2007 -- not as risky as he will be next year, but if you have the chance to look over any of his 2005 babies, you'll probably want to do so before considering a booking.

[serenarider]

Yes that pic is awful. lol it was taken by a cell phone. Shes not back at the knees thank good ness. And wow that is some nic with repent;) Forbidden apple. Hmm hes not buzzing right now thats forsure.


I had to take that pic down. lol forgot it was up there. Will put a much better pic up

[skeenan]

Nice—I thought I recognized her name—she was a CANTER NE horse that I thought was a very pretty mare! Congrats, and best of luck with her!

[serenarider]

Thanks Skeenan
She was a great buy:) very nice mare indeed

[Bill from WA]

I'm not sure if Lac Ouimet is still at stud for this next year or not, but he matches up well with your mare. Sires tough, hard knocking types.

Bill

[FOS]

hi Mahubah...hi serenarider

Mahubah, you wrote "I don't think Repent is (back at the knee), but he may be offset."

I sincerely and respectfully would like to hear your thoughts after you have the opportunity to view Repent again, and scrutinize him.

He was one heck of a come-from-way-out-of-it kind of racehorse...but from my perspective, his abundance of significant conformational flaws and weaknesses (if and when passed on) might present too many obstacles for his offspring to overcome.

Who knows...he just might make it...but based on what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced (by any stretch of the imagination) that his future (as a potential successful racehorse sire) is very bright.

Serenarider...before anyone might commit anything to Forbidden Apple...I suggest it might be wise for them to inquire (at the farm) re: his fertility and/or breeding issues.

Best to you.

Respectfully

[serenarider]

Thanks Bill and Fos,

Thanks you for replying.. Fos I will be going to see Repent for myself to see what i think of him. From the babies I have seen from repent they look pretty nice to me. Will they run. lol no one will know that till they hit the track.

Fos do you have any ideas on who you like with my mare?

Oh and Bill I wanted to stay with a fla stud with this girl 1st time out with her.

[FOS]

hi serenarider

Formal Dinner can get a very solid and good looking horse. If your mare Pyrite Gun is as good looking as he's capable of getting...coupled with her interesting pedigree...she should make you a very worthy young broodmare prospect. It's nice to know she could run a bit also.

How is Pyrite Gun made...what's she look like (in general)...you know...shoulder, quarters, bone, pasterns, feet, knees, overall structure and proportion etc etc. Any particular strengths and/or weaknesses?

Here are a couple of Florida stallions that you might include on your list to consider as possible mates for your mare...I like all three...

...for starters...a young stallion with first foals in 2005 that I believe has a big shot to make it is the stakes-winning A.P. Indy son...Full Mandate (at Hartley DeRenzo). He is a lot of horse (both physically and pedigree-wise)...and I've seen some VERY good foals by him. His first three dams are all G1 winners. He's got significant bone and an excellent front end (but if your mare has very small feet he might not be the horse for you). He's been bred to VERY large books (approx 150 his first year) and is apparently very fertile and willing. A Full Mandate foal sold at Keeneland (November) for $170,000.

A first year stallion (for 2006) that I also think a lot of is Indian Ocean (at Bridlewood). To me he's EXTREMELY athletic...and seems to have an energy about him. He has a front-end that is dead-on correct...a neck that sets beautifully into his shoulder...a handsome head and an alert eye...good bone...strong pasterns...is very well balanced and proportioned...has a pedigree full of Extremely important names...had brilliant speed (won at 6 1/2 furlongs in 1:14 and change) and was a graded stakes winner at a mile and a sixteenth in 1:42 and change...he could certainly carry his speed. He has a forward and alert way about him and is a VERY good walker and mover (it might be reasonable to say that he has an agile cat-like way about him). I believe he was cut out to be a G1 caliber horse but was injured before he got the chance. I expect he'll get BIG support. I see Indian Ocean as GREAT value at $4,000...and a genuine prospect for significant success as a sire.

For what it's worth...I find Indian Ocean to be beautifully colored and marked (a bright bay with black points...some white pasterns and partial stockings...and a white stripe on his face). I see a distinct Northern Dancer connection there.

I also think Omega Code (by Elusive Quality) is a VERY interesting young stallion...he could fly...winning a stake in 1:07 3/5 (as a 2-yo)...and a Santa Anita G3 (at age three). He too has an excellent front-end. His first foals will arrive in 2006...is advertised for $7,500 (standing at Hartley/DeRenzo)...and was apparently bred to approx 140 mares in 2005.

Best to you.

Respectfully

[serenarider]

Thank you Fos for such a detailed reply.

Her faults i have not seen her in person yet she will be here at my farm on sat:) So I will get back to you on that one.

As far as the stallions you spoke about. Im going to see all of them next week. I know padua have some new ones too. cant think of there names of the top of my head.

once again thank you for your reply

[FOS]

hi serenarider

Proud Accolade and Pico Central are two new kids on the block at Padua (for 2006).

My expectations re: Proud Accolade (who was announced at $5,000 for 2006) were high. Arguably he's by an absolutely knockout looking stallion, Yes It's True. Problem is (the way I see it) Proud Accolade did not get his dad's conformation and good looks. Some of my impressions...PA's got a head that leans toward being standardbred-like...a neck that's a bit short (in relation to the rest of him)...has a weak and shallow hindquarters (which amazed me since he's by Yes It's True)...and a back that appears to be almost flat (or straight), with that line continuing over his almost flat croup. He did not have an athletic or even a supple way about him...although his front end was quite correct. I was very disappointed.

Pico Central on the other hand makes a very nice first impression...and has a lovely head and eye. To my way of thinking he's very well proportioned and has a very good hind leg. He looks to stand a shade under 16HH. Some potentially serious concerns (the way I see it) re: the prospects of Pico Central as a sales and/or racehorse sire are (for starters) that he is back at the knee (front right) and his front feet are both contracted (maybe clubby is a better description). Pico's sire Spend A Buck (who originally had a Very Big opportunity at Lane's End before being dismissed) probably raises a red flag (as a sire of sires) for many prospective breeders...and his female family might also pose an obstacle for some. Pico was one heck of a Top-class racehorse, but I suggest he might be a very risky play (as he is about to embark on his new career)...and I expect he might experience some serious resistence (despite his racing accomplishments).

Best to you.

Respectfully

[sparta]

Express Tour is a really striking looking horse, and was just a tad below first-rank on the track.

[serenarider]

Hi Fos and evryone,
Just a quick update on my new mare. She got here yesterday at 7pm was on the tralier from 9am the morning before. There was Terriable weather the whole way they either hit snow and ice then when they got to Ga and Fla huge storms. Poor guys didnt get a break at all. She did great though.

I must say she is one nice nice young mare. Wonderful temperment walked off the trailer in the dark had to unload her at my neighbors farm and walk her down the road to mine. The guys rig was just to big. to turn around in my farm. I must say it was a steller rig though.

She walked in the dark and i mean dark in the rain and i mean starting to rain hard and through my babies pastures who were running around like woohoo new girl in town. didnt blink a eye at anything:) She settled in her stall like she had lived here for ever.

Now to her. Looked her over pretty good last night as she settled in . Very correct front end. Great feet. best feet i have seen in a long time for a mare that just came off the track. Nice shoulder and neck. very pretty head looks like her daddy forsure there. I wil stick her today but im saying at least 16 hands just by my height. Back end nice hip I would like to have a little more but very balenced mare over all.

I did make it to see Omega code. He was very nice. would match up with her very well. have a couple more that I will go see this week now that i have seen her in person.

[serenarider]

Sometimes picking the right mate for your mare is harder then finding the right husband;)

Ok went and looked at omega code again. After staring at my mare for a week now i can pick her apart. OC is just to straight in the hind for me, matched up with my mare. So im passing on him even though he is a nice looking boy.

Went to clover leaf today. Repent After what I saw mho he is very back at the knees for my taking as well. I also did not like his hind end well. Infact the only one i liked over there was poor Mongoose who is just not comerical enough for this mare. He was the only one that acted sane today. Widcat heir was over all ok a little boy but at that price i can find better;)

So now onto Indian Ocean. I will be going to see him this week as well. Good news i have got it down to too . Full mandate or Indian Ocean.