Hello!
I have a mare 16.1 6 years old ( Judith Can) by Birdonthewire, out of Royal Pelliknow!
She is a nice mare, good for hunter/jumper! But she has been approved by CWBA and Can trak society for breeding purposes and had one nice colt so far.
I was wondering if her pedigree would be any good for producing race horses? I know nothing about racing and/or breeding for the track. But I have heard that her sire was fairly good race horse, and just wondered what she would be worth as a broodmare! I am not looking to sell I am just interseted!
Thanks,
Katie
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Hi Katie,
I'm by no means an expert on breeding for the track, but my impression is that no-one's much interested in Birdonthewire as a racehorse sire here in Ontario any more. I have a four-year-old colt by Bird, and very much like the horse (and am thrilled with his son), but unfortunately he hasn't produced much in the way of runners in recent years. He had had a couple of pretty decent ones the year I bred my mare to him, but by the time my foal hit the ground in 2002 there had been no more winners and the market for his babies seemed dead all of a sudden! I had actually entered my colt in the Woodbine mixed sale as a weanling, and ended up withdrawing him because it looked like I was just going to end up buying him back anyway.
Adena Springs decided to promote Birdonthewire for a while ... moved him from the Ontario farm to their Florida farm ... but after a year or two there he was sold to California where he is slowly fading away into oblivion now.
On the up side, if your mare is anything like my colt, she will throw gorgeous, athletic sport horse babies. I ended up keeping Spike (aka Norwegian Blue -- there's a sneaky avian reference in his name <G>) as an eventing prospect because he really didn't strike me as racehorse material by the time he was two. Birdonthewire has contributed some fabulous bone -- Spike is just under 16 hands (still growing, and bear in mind his dam is only 15:2) but was wearing a 52" girth as a three-year-old! Even as butt-high as he currently is, he's very balanced and athletic and has a wonderful mind. I've been encouraging California-based sport horse breeders to take a look at Birdonthewire. Not only was he a very sound racehorse but he's BIG and gorgeous and seems to pass on his excellent temperament. Seems to me that's how they should be promoting him these days. What a fabulous cross he'd make for warmblood mares.
Hope this helps,
Karen.
I'm by no means an expert on breeding for the track, but my impression is that no-one's much interested in Birdonthewire as a racehorse sire here in Ontario any more. I have a four-year-old colt by Bird, and very much like the horse (and am thrilled with his son), but unfortunately he hasn't produced much in the way of runners in recent years. He had had a couple of pretty decent ones the year I bred my mare to him, but by the time my foal hit the ground in 2002 there had been no more winners and the market for his babies seemed dead all of a sudden! I had actually entered my colt in the Woodbine mixed sale as a weanling, and ended up withdrawing him because it looked like I was just going to end up buying him back anyway.
Adena Springs decided to promote Birdonthewire for a while ... moved him from the Ontario farm to their Florida farm ... but after a year or two there he was sold to California where he is slowly fading away into oblivion now.
On the up side, if your mare is anything like my colt, she will throw gorgeous, athletic sport horse babies. I ended up keeping Spike (aka Norwegian Blue -- there's a sneaky avian reference in his name <G>) as an eventing prospect because he really didn't strike me as racehorse material by the time he was two. Birdonthewire has contributed some fabulous bone -- Spike is just under 16 hands (still growing, and bear in mind his dam is only 15:2) but was wearing a 52" girth as a three-year-old! Even as butt-high as he currently is, he's very balanced and athletic and has a wonderful mind. I've been encouraging California-based sport horse breeders to take a look at Birdonthewire. Not only was he a very sound racehorse but he's BIG and gorgeous and seems to pass on his excellent temperament. Seems to me that's how they should be promoting him these days. What a fabulous cross he'd make for warmblood mares.
Hope this helps,
Karen.
To address your question about Judith Can...
Her dam, Royal Pelliknow, was a stakes placed mare that earned over $280K and her second dam, Raja's Revenge, was a graded stakes winner that earned over $298K.
There is sufficient black type in her family to consider her for a racing broodmare. In this case, it is not the view of Birdonthewire as a sire that matters as much as the view of him as a broodmare sire.
Her dam, Royal Pelliknow, was a stakes placed mare that earned over $280K and her second dam, Raja's Revenge, was a graded stakes winner that earned over $298K.
There is sufficient black type in her family to consider her for a racing broodmare. In this case, it is not the view of Birdonthewire as a sire that matters as much as the view of him as a broodmare sire.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
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madelyn wrote: her second dam, Raja's Revenge, was a graded stakes winner that earned over $298K.
Raja's Revenge is the mare's broodmare sire.
Nevertheless, as Madelyn pointed out, Judith Can is out of a stakes placed mare that earned nearly $300,000. As a producer, Judith Can's dam has at least one black-type runner, and her 2001 foal by Wild Wonder is at least an allowance winner at Santa Anita (my records are incomplete).
Judith Can traces tail-female to Itsabet (6th dam), and belongs to a branch of the same family as Giant's Causeway (Itsabet is his 5th dam). The recent movie "Dreamer" was loosely based on the life of Mariah's Storm, the dam of Giant's Causeway. That's kinda cool -- not everyone can boast they have a mare from the same family as a horse that was the subject of a movie...
As for the "worth" of Judith Can, she has no "commercial" value at this time, which means she would bring few dollars as a broodmare (race) prospect, and a foal from her would be "worth" even less. That could change though, if her dam produces a runner at some point that improves the page significantly. In the meantime, Judith Can's pedigree isn't bad, so if you're inclined to breed her for a foal to race yourself, she might produce something you could have fun with at the track.