Hard Spun--stallion prospect

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Postby wallinga » Wed May 09, 2007 6:13 pm

Rokeby Forever wrote:Is the feed the same in Japan? I don't mean that facetiously. Do Japanese trainers/farm managers use more pellet feed or less, or the same? I honestly don't know how they feed horses over there.


This isn't a definitive answer, but when Delta Blues and Pop Rock were preparing to come out here for the cup, their trainer imported Australian grain and feed, to get them acclimatised while still in Japan. While the europeans brought their own food with them... Japan one-two (bit of a sad inditement on our once mighty stayers)

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Postby Sam » Wed May 09, 2007 6:14 pm

majxmom wrote:don't you think that they stand in a stall and wistfully wish for their previous grooms to come get them and take them home?

No. It's a horse, not a human. Stop anthropomorphising the horse.

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Postby llbean » Wed May 09, 2007 8:09 pm

Maven wrote:
majxmom wrote: And surely they recognize that where they came from (America), people look very unalike, and suddenly everyone looks very similar


Um maybe to you but thats a pretty ignorant statement. It's not like all Asians are running around with name tags to recognize each other.


In fairness to majxmom, there's a significant difference between people looking very similar (the claim majxmom put forth about the people in Japan) and people being indistinguishable (which is the only thing I can imagine leading to the Japanese toward the use of name tags to recognize each other).

Japan is more racially homogeneous than America, certainly, and the ancestor base is likely smaller (on average) than it is for even a grouping that consists entirely of European descended Americans.

Whether a horse could notice such things, I have no idea, but for the sake of Scientific open-mindedness, I'll refrain from dismissing the possiblity.

Anyway, quite possibly horses lack the memory to be disconcerted for long by changes in enviroment and handlers.

Nonetheless, there have been cases where horses have evidently formed attachments to dogs and goats (etc.) and didn't get over it a few days after the dog or goat died like you'd expect.

Whether a horse could miss a groom in that way, I have no strong basis for saying either way.

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Postby Rokeby Forever » Wed May 09, 2007 9:47 pm

Thank you, Wallinga. I was asking about feed only because the subject of becoming acclimated came up. I imagine that feed has a lot to do with a horse "feeling like he's home," as opposed to being on a different feed and having to get used to it - I don't imagine that helps matters.

As far as Japanese citizens...they look alike only to us - not to eachother! LOL! What the hell does a horse know, anyway? I never saw a horse turn down a carrot because the person holding it was American, Spanish, Asian, or anything else.
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Postby Maven » Thu May 10, 2007 5:54 am

llbean wrote:
Maven wrote:
majxmom wrote: And surely they recognize that where they came from (America), people look very unalike, and suddenly everyone looks very similar


Um maybe to you but thats a pretty ignorant statement. It's not like all Asians are running around with name tags to recognize each other.


In fairness to majxmom, there's a significant difference between people looking very similar (the claim majxmom put forth about the people in Japan) and people being indistinguishable (which is the only thing I can imagine leading to the Japanese toward the use of name tags to recognize each other).

Japan is more racially homogeneous than America, certainly, and the ancestor base is likely smaller (on average) than it is for even a grouping that consists entirely of European descended Americans.

Whether a horse could notice such things, I have no idea, but for the sake of Scientific open-mindedness, I'll refrain from dismissing the possiblity.

Anyway, quite possibly horses lack the memory to be disconcerted for long by changes in enviroment and handlers.

Nonetheless, there have been cases where horses have evidently formed attachments to dogs and goats (etc.) and didn't get over it a few days after the dog or goat died like you'd expect.

Whether a horse could miss a groom in that way, I have no strong basis for saying either way.

-llbean


You would think someone touting "consistency" in routine and environment would be ecstatic about handlers who are "more racially homogeneous". For the sake of argument, maybe we should only allow grooms to be Mexican... oh wait...

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Postby majxmom » Thu May 10, 2007 10:29 am

Well, llbean seems to realize what I said, thanks for that. Henceforth upon this forum I shall be known as The Ignorant Racist, Queen of the Cretins. May all lesser cretins bow before me. I stand guilty of the crimes of 1) noticing that peoples of certain geographic areas may often have common racial characteristics; 2) actually saying so; 3) thinking that a horse might have the brain to realize that he is a stranger in a strange land. :roll:
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Postby Toccet02 » Thu May 10, 2007 10:44 am

see the new post from Madelyn about how her horse calmed down when she spoke French to it.
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Postby Maven » Thu May 10, 2007 10:45 am

majxmom wrote:Well, llbean seems to realize what I said, thanks for that. Henceforth upon this forum I shall be known as The Ignorant Racist, Queen of the Cretins. May all lesser cretins bow before me. I stand guilty of the crimes of 1) noticing that peoples of certain geographic areas may often have common racial characteristics; 2) actually saying so; 3) thinking that a horse might have the brain to realize that he is a stranger in a strange land. :roll:


No one called you a racist... I just said it was an ignorant comment. Even you didnt dispute that.

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Postby madelyn » Thu May 10, 2007 10:46 am

Horses come in a wide variety of colors and markings so I shouldn't think the color or race of their humans would matter all that much. But the taste of the water, hay, feed, etc. would matter A LOT. The smell of the air, humidity changes, taste of the grass.. those would all matter. And, as I recently found out with my French bred mare, the language spoken by the handlers seems to matter.
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Postby Rokeby Forever » Thu May 10, 2007 11:16 am

Is a horse more likely to kick a Japanese farrier than an American one? Enquiring minds want to know! :lol:
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Postby wallinga » Sun May 13, 2007 6:53 pm

Danzig got another group one winner in france on sunday!

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Postby Pete » Sun May 13, 2007 7:05 pm

Hi Rokeby,

Is a horse more likely to kick a Japanese farrier than an American one? Enquiring minds want to know!

Yes. Japaneese is a language filled with subtley and sarcasm and horses hate sarcasm. I'd imagine that Japaneese farriers wear athletic protection when they're working anyway but can you imagine the reaction that they might get if they deliver a particularly sarcastic remark? Kick them clear to Malaysia!

I believe that any horse imported to Japan should be required to take a sensitivity course before being shod.

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Postby CA Michael » Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:00 pm

Guess so!
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Postby Maven » Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:01 pm

I cant people this horse was ever considered a Belmont horse. He certainly showed his class in the classics to be involved in the end, but this horse is all speed. Perfect sprinting performance today.
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Postby CA Michael » Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:11 pm

This is a prime stallion prospect, IMO. More so than Street Sense, who has shown nothing like the kind of speed Hard Spun has. Kind of like Bold Ruler vs. Round Table, plus Danzig is a proven commodity as a sire of sires. The damline is nice, but not outstanding (Banquet Bell), but then again Bold Ruler didn't come from a particularly strong female line.
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