Big Brown's stud value now

[dray33]

Lets step back. BIG BROWN is 3 for 3, going for the Kentucky Derby. Its April 15th, he get's his Winstrol injection. May 3rd, BIG BROWN romps and wins the Derby. 4 for 4. At THAT point, Dutrow says he decided to stop.

[FOS]

hi dray33

Lets step back. BIG BROWN is 3 for 3, going for the Kentucky Derby. Its April 15th, he get's his Winstrol injection. May 3rd, BIG BROWN romps and wins the Derby. 4 for 4. At THAT point, Dutrow says he decided to stop.

With all due respect...if you are trying to make the case that it was a break in BB's winstrol regimen that (in and of itself) caused him to deliver the performance that he did in the Belmont...I'm not buying it.

You may have convinced yourself that's the reason, and that's fine (to each his/her own)...but I believe you're barking up the wrong tree.

Best

Respectfully

[dray33]

you missed my point. I think it had nothing to do with him losing. My point is, I dont even believe he was off the stuff (re read my post).

I have too many better reasons why he lost, including my top one... that he simply threw in a clunker. I watched the replay from head on. The first 30 seconds of the race was horrid. But then I saw what happened on the backside. Wow. Tale of Ekati took Big Brown 8 wide the ENTIRE trip. I was shocked noone talks about that. Add to that the lapse of training, thats probably the third one. I have more, but quarter cracks and steroids was at the very bottom of the list.

[larrygene]

dray, I do agree that whatever strategy RD and KD had went out the window when the gates opened. I hate to blame a jockey but KD I believe panicked with such a fresh horse under him and still had a long way to run. In trying to save the horse KD totally took BB out of his comfort zone. For the life of me why he swung out 6 or 7 wide I don't know. With all that was happening I think BB said to heck with this I'm folding the tent and going back to my stall!!!!

Larrygene

[dray33]

Lesson 1 in a mile and a half race. The first thing. Jockey 101. SAVE GROUND. I think the path of Tale of Ekati was borderline criminal but very smart, shame on KD to get caught up in that wide trip. AFTER putting through 30 seconds of hell, holding, bobbing, turning. He came out of the gate sideways! Didn't "relax" until the half. Ouch. Tale of Ekati sacrificed any chance of winning by widening around the track to 5-6-7 path, but it is suicide to go chase him eight wide.

[Foggytrip]

Kent showed why jockeys are called pinheads the first 2 furlongs of the race. It was a real circus act, disgraceful

[jjmcgo]

Steroids, inbreeding, etc.
These seem to be tangents about Big Brown's stud value. The colt had terrible hooves, compromised his career from start to finish.
He lost the Belmont because a nail came loose in his hind right hoof. Blood-Horse had the pictures to prove it.
If you think bad hooves are inherited, Big Brown isn't a good choice, despite his racing ability.

[jagger]

I agree with all the above except that steroids played little or no part. Has anyone here ever been on steroids? I can tell you from experience, it is wonderful - for me at least. And, like everything else, there is a bell curve which means that everyone responds differently. I think BB was at the extreme end, the high performance end, of this curve. On steroids, I feel strong, energetic, aggressive, in control, powerful. It means at least 20 yards or roughly 10% off the tee or the difference between a wedge or an 8 iron into the green. It is worth at least 4 to 6 strokes. I believe, firmly, that despite the bad ride, what we saw was BB off the juice. There are many questions that nobody has really addressed. Did his trainer take him off the steroids on his own? With the owner's permission? Did Kent know that he had been off the steroids when he went out of the gate? I think BB COULD have won going 8 wide on the steroids. He won from the outside post on steroids. Losing the shoe, almost, in the first few strides didn't help but could have been overcome with steroids.

It's the juice, folks!! MANY other horses/owners/trainers do it. We would have had a Triple Crown winner had he been on the juice.

JMHO

[madelyn]

Well, but now steroids are illegal in a LOT of race jurisdictions. We will have to have a naturally talented triple crown winner, I guess, rather than a juiced one.

[dray33]

As long as the testing is ethical and compliant, you might just be right madelyn.