Possible "nick" for a new stallion

[Flameborne]

I am looking at a TB stallion who is by Hesabull. First and foremost I am looking at this guy as my riding companion for the next umpteen years. Breeding is not necessarily my primary interest in him. I prefer the stallion temprement and so keeping him intact all goes hand in hand with that. (call me crazy if you must).

However.

I know nothing about Hesabull other than the little bit of info I can scrounge up on the Internet. While I am planning out this guy's future with me, I am curious as to what sort of racing industry market this sire brings to a pedigree. I understand that the mare line is also important, but, at this time I simply don't want to disclose all that information until this kiddo is at home with me.

Would that sire line be conducive, with the right crosses, to producing racing prospects at some point down the road? Or would it be considered just another "run of the mill" type of lineage?

Thanks in advance for all your insight.

[Flameborne]

Alright... I used the word nick in quotes because it wasn't precisely the right word I was looking for, but, the closest my befuddled brain could come up with.

Let me try rephrasing this inquiry a little. I'm genuinely wanting some feedback here.

As a generality I am trying to discover if anyone is aware of an interest in Hesabull offspring and/or what sort of demand that sire may have. Yes, I can find him on the leading SE Region sires listing. But that doesn't tell me much as far as personal insight.

The dam line in the young man I am considering has a very LOT of blacktype. In fact, each dam has been either blacktype herself, or her foals have been. There has only been one listed offspring that I can find that is NOT black type.

If one were breeding for racing, would this dam/sire combo spark an interest in an intact son? Strictly based on generalities, does this son have a slight chance at being considered as a racing sire?

[madelyn]

It is pretty much impossible to identify mare lines for a sire, knowing only his sire. Where is the horse geographically? Was this horse a good graded stakes winner?

Looking at the pedigree of Hesabull, that might be the only saving grace for one of his sons, in terms of having a chance as a racehorse sire.

[ragsdaj1]

Flameborne,

Unless this particular son was successful on the track I dont know that a blacktype female tail will make the son a racing stud prospect. Hesabull is also priced low enough and close enough to Missouri that he would be a hindrance not not a help to your efforts.

I believe you would have to get a broodmare band together and support some progeny until he produced some winners on the track. Considering you and your partner are starting Wicklow Highlands 600K money earner and he traces back to turn-to also not sure why someone would take a risk on the Hesabull son.

Wilhelm Tell II is impressive still for an 80 model.

JonR

[Flameborne]

Ahhh music to my ears I love honesty <grin>

Thank you for your candid responses. And, looking at the earnings this Hesabull son has, while they aren't laughable, they are nothing compared to Wicklow.

JonR -- Thank you very much for the compliment on Willie. He is such a wonderful old man and still sound and riding under saddle at 26 this year!

As for the reference on taking the risk on the Hesabull son, from the outside looking in, no, there's no comparison to Wicklow. But this particular horse, as I mentioned, is to be a riding companion and Wicklow is a business interest. Wicklow has to be -- he demands that given his potential in both markets. The Hesabull son has some potential to make a mark through performance in jumping and dressage and I'll leave him intact for those purposes down some long road ahead.

Madelyn -- (Sorry if I misspelled, I can't reference while responding). I understand that my request has a lot of vague in it for the sort of response I was asking for. But, this particular guy has captured me so much that I don't want to jinx anything until I own him lock stock and barrell. He's not even particularly advertised as for sale and I'm not certain that its supposed to be published. So circumstance demanded that I keep it vague. Thank you for responding

But I did want to get a feel, in advance, for if there was any marketability for Hesabull lines. I was concluding to myself that likely no there wasn't and the responses have rather indicated my conclusions were correct.

[Denise]

We owned a son of Hesabull for a couple of years, having bought him specifically to race on the turf. He was a very nice, athletic, flashy fellow, but had minor navicular issues from having raced on the dirt prior to our owning him. Once he got on the grass, he did well at a certain level (high claiming, first level allowance.) We ended up selling him to the steeplechase folks (after he retired from the flat) because he was a beautiful jumper, and the flashy looks helped.
I had a chance to visit Hesabull when he was still in FL. He was game, starchy and rugged, just like he was as a racehorse. He wanted to run me away from his paddock fence the whole time I was there!
I always felt he just didn't get enough quality mares, which is why he wound up where he is now. He's got classic old Florida pedigree lines (love Dispersal and Tri Jet) and is a nice outcross for the preponderence of N. Dancer/Prospector you seem to find these days, so I just never understood why he wasn't marketed well.

[ragsdaj1]

Denise,

What was your son's name.

I would like to look at his pedigree.

Do you recall if Hesabull was 15.3, 16, 16.1 etc.....


Thanks,

JonR

[Denise]

Hesbullievable (Hesabull-LeSprite)
Not much of a female family.
I have a picture of me and the "Bull" somewhere, and I'm pretty sure he was just about 16 hands. I do recall how tough he was. He was in a paddock across from Marco Bay, who was pretty calm, and the Bull just wanted to take him on in the worst way!

[Denise]

Make that L'Sprite (L'Heureux).