STALLION DIRECTORY OF THE FUTURE

[Sam]

To Sam: You are putting the cart before the horse.

No, Louis, I'm not. I'm asking you a point blank question based on your theory and you still won't answer it.

When you make a union of stallion and mare you will have to find which colors are dominate and recessive. After a few crops of stallions runners you will find which colors are producing those superior runners.

So you are saying to completely ignore the 'dominate' colour of the mare.

Again, following your theory, if you have a stallion who's demonstrated his 'superior' progeny are grey and a mare who's demonstrated that her 'superior' progeny are bay -- Are you going to sell the bay foal because it's not grey like the stallion's 'superior' progeny, or keep the bay foal because it's the same colour as the mare's superior progeny?

By the way... That's actually a trick question since GREY isn't a colour. It's a modifier. That grey foal may very well BE bay -- a greying bay.

Even Tessio could not tell you what colors would be dominate and recessive before the mating took place.

That's called backpedaling.

You originally stated that you look at all of a stallion's progeny and will see which colour is dominate in his 'superior' foals.

Now you are saying this only applies to the exact cross (mare to stallion, not just an overview of a stallion's progeny)? Then it's a waste of time since you would need MULTIPLE full siblings of various colour to make any kind of guess and that's ALL this 'theory' is; a GUESS based on the appearance of a correlative pattern.

Again, you are seeing something that IS NOT THERE. If it works for you, fine, but any rational scientist would be laughing at you if you tried to explain this theory to them.

[BenB]

The problem is, there isn,t such thing in the world for designing a HOY,
by no means. One could predict it after some cases, but that lacks the reality.
Nobody can evalulating a HOY just as an arrived new born foal.
His dad was a Hoy, his dam was a champ, so what will he be???
Even it is almost not possible, to buy a HOY at the yearling sales on the forehand. So when such jewel is arriving, when voted, it is more or less like a gift. There are just to many un certainsies, possibilities playing a role in whole field.
Training, racing, competitors, distance, casualties physiscs nerveous behaving etc. Look to story of seabiscuit, when just a single person, wasn,t there at the right time, nobody would remember him.
I bred a supposted to be champion showjumper, out of a worldchampion showjumper, from an mare who was in olympic team results nada nothing
a big gelding 17.2 who went ducking when seeiing an obstacle
To mention also Classic Thorougbred Company never realised their goals,
breeding an classic one on the forehand.

Ben

[larrygene]

These "color opinions" are quite interesting. I believe Tesio called a chestnut foal that was produced from a bay sire and a bay dam a "color hybrid". I'm no geneticist but maybe this is why Secretariat sired foals of every physical and color descripition. Also, isn't a hybrid supposed to be a superior result of that particular cross? I know they call it "hybrid vigor". Could that be why Secretariat was a superior runner and even though produced some excellent runners never was a consistent sire. I'm no pedigree pro like many of you are but I find the "color hybrid" idea very thought provoking.

[dray33]

This is a game of odds. More than that, breeding is a game of somehow increasing your odds.

louis said:
If the grays are the superior runners from your matings you will sell the bays and chestnuts and retain the grays.
If the chestnuts are the superior runners you would sell the grays and bays and retain the chestnuts.

sam, you asked:
And what are you suppose to do if the sire's "superior runners are all grey" and the dam's "superior runners are all chestnut" and you get a chestnut foal.

I think the answer is, there isnt much you CAN do at that point. I think what louis is trying to say is this. You have a mare who throws superior chestnuts? Or superior greys? To WHOM is she throwing these superior offspring, and then breed her to a stallion that has similar genetic traits. It's again, just a game of odds, and finding whatever sliver of advantage you can find and using it.