bandini

[johnt]

i'm thinking about sending a dehere mare to him. any thoughts on him?

[Intrinsic Worth]

I hope you want a sprinter

[henthorn]

Welcome to the forum, John. If you'll let us know your mare's name, your stud fee range, and your plans for the resulting foal, we can help more accurately. Do you plan to race or sell the foal?

[Rokeby Forever]

Intrinsic, I wouldn't necessarily agree that the foal will be a sprinter. Bandini wasn't a sprinter, as most Fu Pegs aren't.

I assume that you're breeding to Bandini to have a foal with Northern Dancer all over the place. What other reason would make you want to go to him? I see Bandini as another future overbred Coolmore stallion that will have below average numbers because he's bred to every kind of mare there is.

[Intrinsic Worth]

Bandini was by no means a classic distance horse and neither was Roman Ruler. His offspring are high strung nutcases.

[Ill-bred]

Fupeg is floundering, and Bandini isn't even at Ashford. He's at Walmac for $17,500.

I think you could do better for that Dehere mare...

[johnt]

he fits her well from a physical standpoint and its a great nick (fu peg over dehere) might as well be in Australia! he is a good looking son of gun as well. stormy atlantic is under the second dam and he's doing incredible. he got hurt after the derby and was able to come back very well. still managed to finish a respectable 4th even though he got hurt in the 2006 met mile. just love that blue grass performance in 2005. appreciate the input

[Intrinsic Worth]

Then why are you asking others for input?

[Rokeby Forever]

Bandini is at Walmac now? I can't keep track any more of what Coolmore/Ashford keep and what they don't. Geesh!!! Thanks for the info.

Yep, Fu Peg is a busted balloon. He'd probably be a decent sire if nicked with the right mares, but Tabor, Magnier, and company will breed a stallion to a sheep if it means getting a stud fee check out of it.

Good luck trying to make a stallion out of Andromeda's Hero. Will people really pay $12,500 to get to him in 2007?

[johnt]

i think that there are so many knowledgable, intelligent members in this forum with views that may or may not be different from mine. its good to hear from many sides.

[KAL]

Interesting... I too liked his Bluegrass. I also really liked the turn of foot he showed. Unfortunately, I have not seen him in person.

Personally, I think he might be a bit overpriced, especially at Walmac, however I think almost all the young stallions in Kentucky are overpriced.

I like to look at Pedigree, which Bandini has, even if you don't like FuPeg, you have to like some things about the pedigree. However, in addition to pedigree I think you have to have a good physical match.

The simple questions I would ask before using Bandini (or any stallion) would be, does this horse compliment my mare, physically, pedigree, running style? Does this stallion fill some gaps that I see in my mare? Can I expect this mating to produce a foal which is superior to my mare and, hopefully, the stallion?

Then, of course, the answers must be evaluated (along with other questions) in light of whether you are breeding to sell or race. The intent of the foal (breed to sell or breed to race) is probably the most important question a breeder can ask himself. All others "spin" off of that.

Johnt, in your case, if you are breeding to race... I might be a little more concerned with soundness. Dehere wasn't the most sound critter and his foals haven't been paragons of soundness either. Additionally, the Deheres' have been pretty tempermental. One thing... talent wasn't much of an issue with Dehere... it was transmittal of that talent which was a problem. Much of these negatives could be duplicated by using Bandini... which might not be a good thing. However, your mare may be an atypical Dehere (which does happen), she may be calm, sound, and solid... which, if this is the case, allows you to ignore this entire rambling paragraph.

If you use Bandini, good luck. I hope you get his turn-of foot, a solid bit of soundness... and an especially good-looking individual.

[Rokeby Forever]

Hi Kal, I seem to be running into you everywhere. LOL!

I wouldn't be so critical of Dehere. He was shuttled off to Japan, so I really don't know what he was bred to over there, but when Take Charge Lady emerged, he was brought back and now stands for $20,000 - and got 106 mares last year.

I think he offers a better value than either Touch Gold or Awesome Again if you're looking for a Deputy Minister stallion. Dehere matured much sooner than the other two and probably had more raw talent than either of the two.

[pokeyman]

Fupeg is part of the Coolmoore scheme....they take a young, hot stallion; market him up the yahoo; give him the second best book of mares in the entire country (behind Storm Cat); make their money in stud fees; once he hits (and he will with the quality of those mares); move on to the next project.....Johannesburg.

[Rokeby Forever]

Coolmore will breed a stallion to a sheep just to collect a stud fee - they don't care about percentages, AEI, nicking patterns, nothing...just $$$. It's sickening what they have done to some stallions.

What chance does Chapel Royale have? He was bred to 225 mares in his first season...probably to every type of family in creation. With those many foals around, some are bound to be runners, but what about the 90% that aren't?

Thank God the Sheikhs boycott Coolmore stallions. Without Arab $$$, a Coolmore/Ashford stallion will never make headlines and draw more breeders than it already does.

Johannesburg hit with Scat Daddy, but look at his percentages and think twice about laying out $65,000 for him next year...he has a lot of winners, but his percentage of repeat winners is awful...tells me that he sires a lot of poor quality runners for that kind of stud fee. For Pete's sake - you can get to Rahy for just about the same amount!!!