Lando

[Dave C]

What is the impression of this French based, German bred stallion?

[parlo]

Here is some stuff to feed this thread (f. e. "Meinungen" = testimonials of professionals involved with Lando anf his kids).
If there is some trouble with the language, I shall translate:

http://www.lando-world.de/

http://www.stallions-online.de/public/s ... &x=17&y=10

[Dave C]

Very interesting web sites, I'd only seen his french site. I'm more interested in what people think about him though. For example, my impression is that he is what we in NA would consider a good regional sire. That is he can dominate a local market, and occasionally sire a top class horse, but he doesn't do it often enough to get dates with the very best mares. Is this a fair analysis of him or do people in Europe think much more highly of him?

[parlo]

I'm quite surprised that there is no more interest in this topic. Your estimation seems quite fair. Lando startet his stud career in Germany and later went to France where his first offsprings haven't raced yet.

You must see that competition in Europe in his category (classic to stout sire) is very thight. Look just in Germany: Lando was a better racehorse than Monsun (same generation and 1-2 in the German Derby) and Sternkönig. But Monsun is the better sire. When Lando started his stud career his proven sire Acatenango was still living. And in this category are other sires like Law Society, Platini, Lomitas, Tiger Hill. Now there were/are imported sires like Black Sam Bellamy, Mamool, Pentire ...

So in this climate of competition it is not easy to get a fair share of top class mares which Lando - in my estimation - got! So 7 G1-winners and many black-type-horses is quite a success although not outstanding.

[Dave C]

I'm not surprised about the lack of interest on the board. Ninety percent of posters here are from NA and this sire line has had no significant presence in NA in the lifetime of any of the regulars here. Additionally, most people in NA have no interest in a sire that they believe is a long distance turf sire. I had hoped for a little more input from our few Euro posters though. Thank you for your replies.

[Maven]

Im a NA breeder and distance and turf doesnt bother me but I try not to speak about anything I dont have first hand knowledge in.

Add to the fact I dont see many of us shipping a mare across the Atlantic to breed, i'd say you're right. The replies you're going to get are from the Euro crowd.

I know I speak for a few when I say we'd like With Approval back. Thanks.

[TBLADY]

LMAO @ MAVEN and YES we would like him back thank you!

[Black Duchess]

No, no, he will stay in Europe!!

The Caro blood is so rare in Europe, at least in the sire line.
As far as I know, With Approval is the last active son of Caro here.
Some have Caro somewhere in the maternal lines like Pivotal, Linamix or the young Kingsalsa. From the same dam line is rising star Medicean.
But that's all.

By the way, a son of Caro (Nebos) became "Broodmare Sire of the Year" in Germany last year.
The best horse of his daughers was "Horse of the Year 2006" and Group 1 winner Prince Flori - and Prince Flori is by Lando (and the circle is closed again )

Another blacktype performer from this cross (Lando/Nebos) was Chantra (now a three year old filly).
Nebos was one of the vary rare dark brown sire sons of his father.

[parlo]

As I see, the "Euro crowd" is lining up!

Sorry, that there are only few British/Irish and as it seems no French tb-fans active forum-members here.

[erins isle]

The pool of top mares in our part of Europe is not as big as in GB and Eire. If we would have about 200 top mares in Germany and France than the number will be reached.
So the 200 are splitting and quite a lot will be sent to Coolmore, Darley and so on.
Don't forget that a large number is already influenced by Lando's sire, Acatenango, or his immediate family as well.
The Caro line is although limited on numbers alive and kicking in France.

Parlo, you should know, that most of the French are not as familiar as we are in the English language!

[rubicon1967]

id agree with parlo that theres a good amount of competition in europe. but i do think that lando has done pretty well at stud and at 10,000 euro, hes not expensive. if you look at his stats 14 blacktype from 266 foals of racing age (5% sw/foals), 7gsw & 2 champions. aei 1.86 vs ci 1.10, id say hes not had the best mares to work with, but has upgraded his mares pretty convincingly. how many sires can you get for $13,000 with those type of stats? german blood in pedigrees is working quite well when you consider monsun is a top class sire, then there are younger sires like galileo & tiger hill who look like they are moving in to that top class sires area, and shirocco could be interesting at £10k. these german bred horses are hard knocking types not as brittle as some of the northern dancer inbreds.

same goes for caro/grey sovereign lines. as for caro sons other than with approval, turgeon is the only other. but there are some grey sovereign line stallions highest honor, keltos, kendor, kaldounevees over here in europe.

my mare, yankee doodledandy is visiting with approval this year. i shipped her back to uk to visit him

regards
rubicon1967

[Dave C]

Thanks for the extra info. I'm curious as to how his French crops are shaping up. Are they larger with better mares, about the same, or smaller with not quite as high of quality? His first French crop is 2yo of 2007? Or are they just yearlings?

My interest in Lando is because of a very closely related stallion that will be covering his first group of TB mares this year in NA, and I'm thinking about sending a mare to him.

[Rokeby Forever]

Now, hold on, Dave...I was Java Gold's BIGGEST fan (for obvious reasons) and nobody was happier than me about Boreal's success...so take that back!

[Dave C]

Sorry, Rokeby but you've completely lost me. What are you refering to?

[Rokeby Forever]

You stated at "Yanks" have no interest in a long distance Euro turf sire. Hmph!