What do you guys think of Stormy Atlantic as a sire? He's one of my personal fav's.... not becuse of stats or anything.. I just like him. He's versitile, he produced my fav horse this year (Magnificence)
the only thing I see as a slight downfall is I don't see any of his offspring going classic distances.
What do you guys think?
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G'day, Maven.
It's not a reflection on Stormy Atlantis's Breeding - Hail Atlantis is, guess what? Buckpasser/Hail To Reason....and she won the Santa Anita Oaks. OK, I won't go into my usual speech about that nick.
Will Stormy Atlantic be more likely to get speed influenced mares in the future, or long distance pedigreed ones? He's doubled to Nasrullah, but not a drop of Mr P blood...and people do love that Northern Dancer/Mr Prospector nick, don't they? It got Magnificience and Stormello, and I'm not sure that either are 1 1/4 mile types.
It's not a reflection on Stormy Atlantis's Breeding - Hail Atlantis is, guess what? Buckpasser/Hail To Reason....and she won the Santa Anita Oaks. OK, I won't go into my usual speech about that nick.
Will Stormy Atlantic be more likely to get speed influenced mares in the future, or long distance pedigreed ones? He's doubled to Nasrullah, but not a drop of Mr P blood...and people do love that Northern Dancer/Mr Prospector nick, don't they? It got Magnificience and Stormello, and I'm not sure that either are 1 1/4 mile types.
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Maven.....but, as some people point out with other stallions (*cough*), many Storm Cats are precocious and didn't have the chance to stretch out before they broke down early (Gee, I wonder who's trained the most Storm Cats). So, who's to say he's not as much a stamina influence as a speed influence? Is Giant's Causeway a speed influence? Tell that to Noble Causeway, who does have Mr Prospector on his damside! LOL!
What's Giant's Causeway's anemic percentage with two year old winners, anyway?
Tabasco Cat could run all day...did he get his distance acumen from that paragon of long winded progeny, Sauce Boat?
The Seattle Slews that Mr Dwayne trained couldn't get 1 1/4 mile. The Seattle Slews that others trained, could, and have become distance influences. So, why can't the same apply?
What's Giant's Causeway's anemic percentage with two year old winners, anyway?
Tabasco Cat could run all day...did he get his distance acumen from that paragon of long winded progeny, Sauce Boat?
The Seattle Slews that Mr Dwayne trained couldn't get 1 1/4 mile. The Seattle Slews that others trained, could, and have become distance influences. So, why can't the same apply?
Giant's Causeway had Roberto and Chieftain behind his dam line and add to the fact most his races at a distance were on turf, and you have an exceptionally talented horse who 10f was the end of his range.
Most of his foals have also shown an affinity for a 1 1/8 and less, ESPECIALLY when tried on the dirt.
Noble Causeway has Seeking the Gold, Private Account, Tom Rolfe and Round Table back his female family, and at least mention a horse who's WON stakes race at a distance, not placed.
Tabasco Cat was a talented horse who did excel at distances, but I would stop short of saying he could run all day. He won going short as well. And I wouldnt forget that South American family behind him. As we've seen on numerous occasions, S. American bloodlines seems to be a lot more versatile with distances than our own stock.
And for the record, there are, say, 50 top Storm Cat's sold every year. Not many make it into the hands of Lukas, especially in the last 5 years or so, and I dont see any of them winning the Arc or Belmont.
Out of curiosity, would you consider Elusive Quality or Distorted Humor stamina influences? I wouldnt. But I would say Distorted Humor in particular, is a versatile stallion who can get you anything, including a two turn horse when paired with the right mare... something I would say about Storm Cat as well. But they're far from stamina influences.
Most of his foals have also shown an affinity for a 1 1/8 and less, ESPECIALLY when tried on the dirt.
Noble Causeway has Seeking the Gold, Private Account, Tom Rolfe and Round Table back his female family, and at least mention a horse who's WON stakes race at a distance, not placed.
Tabasco Cat was a talented horse who did excel at distances, but I would stop short of saying he could run all day. He won going short as well. And I wouldnt forget that South American family behind him. As we've seen on numerous occasions, S. American bloodlines seems to be a lot more versatile with distances than our own stock.
And for the record, there are, say, 50 top Storm Cat's sold every year. Not many make it into the hands of Lukas, especially in the last 5 years or so, and I dont see any of them winning the Arc or Belmont.
Out of curiosity, would you consider Elusive Quality or Distorted Humor stamina influences? I wouldnt. But I would say Distorted Humor in particular, is a versatile stallion who can get you anything, including a two turn horse when paired with the right mare... something I would say about Storm Cat as well. But they're far from stamina influences.
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Maven...I don't see Storm Cats winning much of anything lately.
And...I mentioned Noble Causeway only because of his running style.
I have to agree with you about Elusive Quality (my favorite "One Hit Wonder") and Distorted Humor, except with Elusive Quality, there's Rokeby in them thar veins...so I think he's more likely to sire a natural two turn horse as opposed to Distorted Humor, who sires natural speed horses that can stretch out to a distance, ala Commentator or even Funny Cide - Funny Cide was a bullet as a 2 year old.
For the record...Nijinsky has as many BC Sprint winners as Storm Cat. Nijinsky is also the damsire of Java Gold, sire of Kona Gold. That Nijinsky - world class speed, wouldn't you agree?
PS: Maven...a Sky Mesa sold at Fasig Mid Atlantic today for $13,000.
And...I mentioned Noble Causeway only because of his running style.
I have to agree with you about Elusive Quality (my favorite "One Hit Wonder") and Distorted Humor, except with Elusive Quality, there's Rokeby in them thar veins...so I think he's more likely to sire a natural two turn horse as opposed to Distorted Humor, who sires natural speed horses that can stretch out to a distance, ala Commentator or even Funny Cide - Funny Cide was a bullet as a 2 year old.
For the record...Nijinsky has as many BC Sprint winners as Storm Cat. Nijinsky is also the damsire of Java Gold, sire of Kona Gold. That Nijinsky - world class speed, wouldn't you agree?
PS: Maven...a Sky Mesa sold at Fasig Mid Atlantic today for $13,000.
hi Rok...hi Maven...hi guys
Of the MANY Stormy Atlantic offspring I've seen (over the years), I get a sense that SA often puts a bit heavier shoulder on a horse than some might prefer to see (on a classic-hopeful anyway). Arguably that type of shoulder coupled with the speed that SA often sires, can be a dicey formula for those searching for the classic horse. I would also submit that Stormy Atlantic has a tendency (based on what I've seen) to deliver (proportionately of course) less leg under a foal than one might hope to see on an individual, if their goal is the classics.
I would suggest that unless the mare herself can inject a bit more leg under her foal...it might not be wise to expect Stormy Atlantic to do it on his own. Regardless, I would submit that SA is proving to be a very good sire, and I sense that his future is extremely bright. He appears to be very well managed and very well supported...and I would expect he's recently been getting more of the kind of mares that will likely enhance his chances to get genuine classics threats. I would also expect that the caliber of mares bred to him (in general) since his move to Ky, has likely improved each year. I've heard that John Sikura himself has bred some of his superstar mares to SA in '07. I don't believe he's done that previously.
That said...I am confident that with the right mare under him...Stormy Atlantic can deliver a TOP mile-and-a-quarter horse.
As a sire-of-sires...I get the sense that Stormy Atlantic's son Indian Ocean...who I've made it clear that I like VERY much, is a young stallion that might sire both quality speed and quality two-turn horses (including classics threats).
Of the foals (by IO) that I've seen thus far...they have (in general) a sweeping and strong (but not top-heavy) shoulder...powerful and impressive quarters...and PLENTY of leg under them (in proportion to their body). They look to have lots of quality about them (at least what I've seen thus far) and appear to be a VERY correct group (in general).
The colts I've seen (thus far) by Indian Ocean are (in general) strikingly handsome, and the fillies I've seen have heads on them that are downright gorgeous (you know, wide forehead with large soft eyes, and dish faces etc)...WOW.
As I've said before...I believe that Indian Ocean (by Stormy Atlantic) brings a lot to the table, and I would not be surprised if at some point (possibly sooner rather than later) he might be headed north, to the Bluegrass. To my way of thinking...he is one VERY interesting young stallion with the potential to be a very special sire.
Back to Stormy Atlantic (himself), I would expect to see a significant bump in his stud fee for '08.
Thoughts?
Best to you.
Respectfully
Of the MANY Stormy Atlantic offspring I've seen (over the years), I get a sense that SA often puts a bit heavier shoulder on a horse than some might prefer to see (on a classic-hopeful anyway). Arguably that type of shoulder coupled with the speed that SA often sires, can be a dicey formula for those searching for the classic horse. I would also submit that Stormy Atlantic has a tendency (based on what I've seen) to deliver (proportionately of course) less leg under a foal than one might hope to see on an individual, if their goal is the classics.
I would suggest that unless the mare herself can inject a bit more leg under her foal...it might not be wise to expect Stormy Atlantic to do it on his own. Regardless, I would submit that SA is proving to be a very good sire, and I sense that his future is extremely bright. He appears to be very well managed and very well supported...and I would expect he's recently been getting more of the kind of mares that will likely enhance his chances to get genuine classics threats. I would also expect that the caliber of mares bred to him (in general) since his move to Ky, has likely improved each year. I've heard that John Sikura himself has bred some of his superstar mares to SA in '07. I don't believe he's done that previously.
That said...I am confident that with the right mare under him...Stormy Atlantic can deliver a TOP mile-and-a-quarter horse.
As a sire-of-sires...I get the sense that Stormy Atlantic's son Indian Ocean...who I've made it clear that I like VERY much, is a young stallion that might sire both quality speed and quality two-turn horses (including classics threats).
Of the foals (by IO) that I've seen thus far...they have (in general) a sweeping and strong (but not top-heavy) shoulder...powerful and impressive quarters...and PLENTY of leg under them (in proportion to their body). They look to have lots of quality about them (at least what I've seen thus far) and appear to be a VERY correct group (in general).
The colts I've seen (thus far) by Indian Ocean are (in general) strikingly handsome, and the fillies I've seen have heads on them that are downright gorgeous (you know, wide forehead with large soft eyes, and dish faces etc)...WOW.
As I've said before...I believe that Indian Ocean (by Stormy Atlantic) brings a lot to the table, and I would not be surprised if at some point (possibly sooner rather than later) he might be headed north, to the Bluegrass. To my way of thinking...he is one VERY interesting young stallion with the potential to be a very special sire.
Back to Stormy Atlantic (himself), I would expect to see a significant bump in his stud fee for '08.
Thoughts?
Best to you.
Respectfully
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I too will not be surprised to see a large increase in his stud fee for '08.
He consistently throws good looking foals. We have several Stormy Atlantics at the farm this year and they are all correct with good bone and size (plus he stamps most of them with all that white and that can't hurt
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He consistently throws good looking foals. We have several Stormy Atlantics at the farm this year and they are all correct with good bone and size (plus he stamps most of them with all that white and that can't hurt
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we bought a stormy atlantic filly at keeneland last year we have called her borasco. shes out of a devils bag mare Seek who is 1/2 to Discover. i would agree that as SA gets a few more chances with better bred and more stoutly bred mares, he may do very well indeed. i hope so. i certainly couldnt be much happier with our filly and i wouldnt be surprised if our filly got close to 10 furlongs next year, as a 3 year old, and that would be on turf. as for a hike in his stud fee, i wouldnt be surprised but i still think he'll need to have a good season this year, especially since stormello has not lived up to the expectations of him being SA's break through horse
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