Unbridled Energy vs No Armistice

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:19 pm

I know these two are 3/4 brothers, but one is 10k the other is 3k and first starter was a winner. No Armistice is by Unbridled and his brother is by Unbridleds Song. NA was strictly sprints and UE won at over a mile. But why pay 7k more when you can get to his brother who is already proving himself?

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:25 pm

I really dont have anything constructive to say, but this post is going to make Rok's nipples hard.

One does have a superior race record and I wouldn't call a horse with a few winners "proven".

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:27 pm

I did NOT say proven, I said "proving" himself. So I have a feeling many will sit back and see how No Armistice does this and next year and will then make a decision on Unbridled Energy.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:34 pm

No you didnt, my mistake. I dont like either if im being honest.

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:35 pm

If you look on crestwoods website, they are hyping him up big. Im trying to see what justifies a 10k stud fee on him

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:41 am

hi Derby2004

Derby2004 wrote:Im trying to see what justifies a 10k stud fee on (Unbridled Energy).

Let's take a closer look at him...

...for starters, Unbridled Energy broke his maiden at TP going 6 1/2 furlongs in 1:18.89...hmmm. Is OUCH an appropriate description for that kind of time (at that distance)?

As a 3-yo, he won a G3 (at WO in Canada) going 1 1/16 in 1:46. Is that an OUCH or a DOUBLE OUCH time for a mile and a sixteenth, or what?

His best Rag number was a 6 1/4 (and that was in a losing effort no less). Is OUCH an appropriate choice of words again?

He's by Unbridled's Song...sire of young sires Buddha and Unbridled Time...does OUCH possibly fit again?

Arguably Unbridled's Song's most successful son at stud, Songandaprayer...is having difficulty getting a good horse that can win beyond 6 or 7 furlongs. Do I hear hmmm.

Unbridled Energy's dam is by Hold Your Peace...do I hear hmmm again?

What are his strengths? Well he is gray.

Respectfully

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:33 am

Does anyone remember that old, old TV commercial with the Indian walking along a highway and a car passes by and throws garbage out the window and the empty cups and plates land near the Indian and he starts crying? The theme was "Don't pollute."

I just thought of that old commercial out of the blue...don't ask me why.

HR LLC · Postby **HR LLC** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:07 am

I love this part from Crestwood's website concerning Unbridled Energy:

http://www.crestwoodfarm.com/unbridled-energy.shtml

Consistent --- Won 4 of 8 Races!
Retired Sound!

Wow, now that is funny. He raced 8 times from age 2 to 4. He was not hurt but they decided to retire him. My kind of stallion.

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:55 pm

hi HR LLC

HR LLC wrote:I love this part from Crestwood's website concerning Unbridled Energy:

http://www.crestwoodfarm.com/unbridled-energy.shtml

Consistent --- Won 4 of 8 Races!
Retired Sound!

Wow, now that is funny. He raced 8 times from age 2 to 4. He was not hurt but they decided to retire him. My kind of stallion.

Win Star attempted to unload this guy for quite some time.

Respectfully

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:59 pm

On the bright side, he raced twice as much as did Buddha.

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:07 am

hi Rok

Rokeby Forever wrote:On the bright side, (Unbridled Energy) raced twice as much as did Buddha.

Unbridled's Song has been standing for a significant stud fee for quite some time now...and his sons with runners (at least thus far) are arguably iffy (or worse) at best.

Even Songandaprayer, who arguably can get a handsome sales horse, seems to be defining himself as a sire that rarely gets much more than a sprinter.

Unbridled's Song might be marketed and spun as a TOP tier sire...but, I sense that confidence in and perception of him (as both a racehorse sire and sire-of-sires) are eroding.

Respectfully

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:18 am

Unbridleds Song will be a top tier broodmare sire. His fillies are better than his colts. Another stallion like that is Tale of The Cat. I still believe that stallions whose sons run better than his fillies, will make a better sire of sires.

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:42 pm

hi Derby2004

Derby2004 wrote:Unbridleds Song will be a top tier broodmare sire.

Unbridled's Song? A top-tier broodmare sire? Maybe...but I have my doubts. I'll have to see a good sprinkling of some TOP quality runners (from his daughters) before I'll go that far.

The closer I look at him, the more he disappoints me.

Now if you had said Lemon Drop Kid will be a top-tier broodmare sire...I might have jumped on your bandwagon.

Respectfully

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:46 pm

Unbridled's Song as a broodmare sire? Would you breed them to Forestry? LOL!

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:01 am

Actually, I think Unbridled's Song will be a very good commercial broodmare sire. They give size, a nice shoulder, and a good backend to foals. Thats the famous "three" in the ring.

Now Lemon Drop Kid... I have 2 Lemon Drop Kid fillies... the 3yo is now stakes-placed and the two year old wont start till probably next year. I LOVE him as a broodmare sire. He's really a good value at 20k.