Pleasant Tap

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:18 am

Is Pleasant Tap not the ultimate "overlay" when it comes to breeding. Just take a look at his progeny list. How much does it cost to bred to PT? Tap Dance City? the horse banked over 8 million! you have premium tap, tiago who I believe will be int hat class in the next couple of years.. but more than anything, look at the "thick" of his progeny.. alot of them are 6 figure earners. Virtual ATM's if you will.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:23 am

Great stallion, ultimate breed to race, but they're not early and the dont sell well. A strictly breed to race stallion. I do think he will be a GREAT broodmare sire. He puts everything you want from a foal in his daughters.

I do think it will be a mistake to raise his fee next year. They should keep him where he is at 15k.

For my dollar, him and Royal Academy are the two best proven values if you're looking to breed race horses.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:33 am

15 thousand!!!! that's it!!

that's robbery!

I could see a 5k even 10k fee being justified, he's as proven as proven gets.

I plan to get into the business soon enough, hopefully later this year, and you better believe I am sending a couple his way.

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:50 am

I agree he's a tremendous sire and was even planning to breed my Tabasco Cat mare to him next year. Then I ran a werk nick rating on the planned mating and was surprised with the result of 0 stakes winners from the storm bird line mares. Not an A, C, D nick...just zero. Blew me away with all he's sired.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:52 am

I have two of my breed to race mares tentatively going to him. One brings in another line of Grey Flight which has worked well with him.

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:00 am

By the way Mavrn ; given the awful nick rating I mentioned we're looking at Royal Academy instead and I agree with your prior statement but would add Slew City Slew.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:04 am

If you get a good Royal Academy, they sell pretty well in relation to stud fee. He's an all-around terrific stallion. Be interesting to see what his early poly numbers show.

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:13 am

Agreed ! Our other mare, by Beau Genius, will in fact go to Pleasant Tap next year. Think he'll do well as a broodie if one manages the bloodlines well enough.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:29 am

Pleasant Tap was the last chance for the Pleasant Colony line to survive, and he's been better than fantastic - he's been AWESOME!

What is this crap that he's "breed to race?" What does that mean - that he doesn't sire two year old breakdowns? You folks make that sound like it's a disease...Oh, he's just breed to race, so I'll send my mares that ran 50 times to him. WTF kind of logic is that?

Tiago won the SA Derby in only his fifth start. That's breed to race?

He's just a great sire. Because his foals don't break down after three starts, don't label him "breed to race" - he's got some nice sire prospects in Premium Tap and David Junior coming up, as well. If his foals don't sell well, take advantage of it! His best offspring don't have Storm Cat crap running through their veins - if they did, Pleasant Tap wouldn't be a great sire..he's be a breakdown sire.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:32 am

"Breed to race" just means his foals dont sell well.. they're not commercial, so it also means he's not commercial. It's not a knock, just a fact. Dont get the panties in a bunch, Marc.

Worksoplad · Postby **Worksoplad** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:39 am

"I agree he's a tremendous sire and was even planning to breed my Tabasco Cat mare to him next year. Then I ran a werk nick rating on the planned mating and was surprised with the result of 0 stakes winners from the storm bird line mares. Not an A, C, D nick...just zero. Blew me away with all he's sired."

The Werk rating of O Sires is meaningless. Check the "progeny" list for Pleasant Tap and see how many Tabasco Cat mares have actually been bred to him. I'll wager its a big fat zero and that's why you get a Werk 0 Sires rating. It happens all the time.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:41 am

Suppose Premium Tap were eight years old and not twenty. What the Hell is Pleasantly Perfect doing at $30,000 when Pleasant Tap is only $15,000? Farish would waste no time jumping his fee from $15,000 because the dumbbells in Japan would wake up and realize that he's a perfect sire for their program. Friggin' Came Home is at $20,000 now and can't sire a stakes winner.

The best Pleasant Taps have ZERO Storm Cat blood...that's no coincidence. Breed a Tabasco Cat mare to him?

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:47 am

Yeah ; I've read some of your posting history & should have expected your rant...silly me.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:47 am

Im guessing you mean Pleasant Tap. IF Pleasant Tap was getting these results in his first few crops, than yes, a stud fee hike would be inevitable.

He's always gotten runners, but his stud record has gotten better with age. The only thing I can think of, is people realize now how to handle the foals on the track.

and maybe the lack of Storm Cat blood in his best is because a lack of Storm Cat blood that was sent to him. Come on, Rok... dont be ridiculous.

mikec · Postby **mikec** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:54 am

Actually I did check his progeny report & just on page 1 alone there are at least a dozen Storm Cat mares bred to him so apparently somebody had the same idea & I'm using that information to walk away from such a mating.
As far as I'm concerned breed to sell, a term I personally didn't use, implied his foals don't sell well and I agree with that therefore If I'm going to breed to a stallion such as that I'm not planning to sell it therefore, voila, breed to race is perfectly acceptable so take a deep breath and relax.