Mizzen Mast

[Maven]

This young stallion is doing more than I thought he would at this stage of the game. I must admit im biased since I adore his sire-line and his female family, but I didn't think his get would turn it on until 3 and on the turf...

In 2007 has sired 35 individual winners of 45 races.

This year he's had 3 stakes winners--

Moonee Ponds (Bedanken S.), and two 2-year-old stakes winners in Imaginary Sailor (Lost in the Fog S.), and Stern Opinion who won the PRIX YACOWLEF @ Deauville.

He also has 5 stakes-placed runners this year, including another two year old. His 2yo stakes winners/placers have all come within the last month and a half. All this with his oldest being 3.

Another with a very promising start is E Dubai who's numbers are actually a little better than Mizzen Mast, although I fully expected him to be at this stage in the game. They sit 8th and 9th on the Second Crop Sire List and both have current fees of 15k.

[LB]

I'm a big fan of E Dubai. We've bred to him twice, loved what we got the first time and tried again with a different mare (who's now in foal.) Bear in mind that--due to a medical problem--E Dubai's first crop was only about 45 foals. So most of what he's accomplished thusfar, he's done with limited opportunity. I think his numbers are only going to improve when he gets more crops to the races.

[Maven]

I would most certainly agree with that. His numbers are quite limited. Mizzen Mast has never been booked "full" either, although his numbers are obviously a little higher.

The sheiks are loaded to bear with some very interesting stallions.

[LB]

The sheiks are loaded to bear with some very interesting stallions.

They certainly are. I also find Darley to be a very accomodating farm to deal with. We breed a mare there every year if we can. Our 3YO Street Cry filly broke her maiden at Arlington ten days ago and the 2YO E Dubai filly we bred (but no longer own) is working at Saratoga. We have a nice Cherokee Run filly this year. All fillies from our Darley breedings now that I think about it. Hopefully next year's E Dubai will buck that trend.

[Maven]

I have a 3yo stakes winning Street Cry. Love her. She's super smart and a great horse to be around.

[KAL]

Maven, technically I think Khalid Abdullah (Juddmonte owner) is a prince, not a sheik... but that is a minor point.

I too really, really liked Mizzen Mast. Liked him enough to use him with 2 mares. Unfortunately, Mizzen Mast has had little to no sales appeal and we lost money on both. Also, since they sold cheap, I am afraid they may not get the chances I was hoping they would.

Actually, due to several circumstances, concerns, and perceptions... all the Juddmonte stallions are treated skeptically. Of course, this matters little to Juddmonte, they primarily breed to race and seem somewhat indifferent how they are perceived by the "market".

On the other hand, the Darley group is fantastic... since I am pretty certain I know who LB is... I can tell you that if she gives them the thumbs up, they must be doing something correct. I liked Street Cry from the start, however I was afraid how the commercial market would respond to him... which matters little now that he has had such success. I also heard some questions regarding E Dubai, but I always contended that with the right mare, he should be okay. Of course, I liked Cherokee Run from the time he went to stud (at $7500 no less) but unfortunately, I did't have mares until he was $40,000. Currently, I am interested in seeing how the Kafwain's do. We sent two mares to him, (one aborted), and I've heard the surviving foal is very, very nice.

When you look at the total Darley / Gainsborough / Shadwell picture, I believe one can see that it would be very, very easy for them to buy less and develop homebreds more. They have some fantastic stallions which represent several different "lines" and over the last few years they have been focused on obtaining the very, very best in broodmares. I think we will see more and more of this in the future. In fact, while it has been their stated goal to win the Kentucky Derby, I think the ultimate would be to do it with a homebred. Also, if you have ever visited their "other" farms (those housing weanlings, yearlings, and broodmares) I am sure you were amazed at willingness to spare little expense and give the critters every opportunity.

I won't go into my suspicions (and somewhat informed opinions) as to why they are shifting sails somewhat... but they have my complete admiration. I think they may be the most honest and truest horsemen in the sport... bar none. I also believe their treatment of the critters and their honesty with their stock to be quite refreshing... of course... as I was told once, "... they can afford to be honest...". (Which, I suppose is a sorry statement about the industry... but a very true one.)

[LB]

Hi KAL! Yup, it's me. What's new? How are things going with you?

Maven, I've been following your Street Cry and she's lovely. Also your Lemon Drop Kid filly as we have a mare in foal to him for next year.

[Maven]

Hi Kal. I agree with everything you said. For what its worth, my adviser, who is usually spot on with young stallions, likes Kafwain as much as any young stallion in the world.

LB, good luck with the Lemon Drop Kid. He's a very good stallion and throws some real size and substance to his mares. Our Lemon Drop Kid is built like a colt and acts like one too.

[Foggytrip]

Kafwain should get his first stake winner on WV Derby day

[fastappy]

I like Mizzen Mast as well and I believe he will get better as his foals get older, and stretch out. On the other hand E Dubai with only 55% of the starters MM has, has better earnings at this point (Both being 2nd crop sires).

E Dubai with $40K earn per str, 8.7K per start, Med. earnings of 15K, w/ AEI 2.16 vs 1.37 C.I.

Mizzen M with $26K" ", 5,3K" ", " 12K, w/
AEI 1.10 vs 1.58 C.I.

E. Dubai is hands down doing better w/fewer starters (42 vs 76, as of 7/25/07 per BH, w/earnings of 1.3mil vs 1.08mil), though I believe Mizzen Mast will significantly improve as his crops age.

E Dubai is the more precocious sire, but we'll just have to wait and see how long his foals hang around once more are off and running. I saw that Barilko was working earlier this year, but have not seen any entries by him, Wafi City has been out of commission, and Pay The Vig has went south. Speed Kills! (But I love It!!!! )

[Maven]

You're absolutely correct on all accounts. I really wanted to give E Dubai his due. His numbers have been fantastic. BUT, as you say, he should be a more precocious sire as compared to Mizzen Mast.

I would imagine, unless something big happens for Mizzen Mast this year, his fee will stay the same or maybe drop a little. E Dubai's should go up, I would imagine.

[fastappy]

Thanks Maven! I wanted a son of Mr. P. for my Tabasco Cat mare and initially planned on breeding her to Pioneering, but I like the "Speed Dubai" and commercial viability on a budget. Though not an accomplished runner, the mare had soundness (50 starts) and needed an injection of speed. I believe I potentially have everything I need in the mating, including cross, size & type, etc.

His foals do well out here in Calexico. Both E Dubai & Mizzen Mast foals run on turf or dirt, which is nice.

[LB]

E Dubai is the more precocious sire, but we'll just have to wait and see how long his foals hang around once more are off and running. I saw that Barilko was working earlier this year, but have not seen any entries by him, Wafi City has been out of commission, and Pay The Vig has went south. Speed Kills! (But I love It!!!! )

High Heels and Desert Code have hung around pretty well. And 2YO Treadmill looks like she might be an exciting filly.

[fastappy]

[quote="LB"]High Heels and Desert Code have hung around pretty well. And 2YO Treadmill looks like she might be an exciting filly.[/quote]

I like seeing those 3 year olds hanging in there!

[MizzenMast]

I was enjoying all of the praise.

Thanks,
Mizz