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Postby cj55 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:31 pm

Hi Everyone,
Need your help again. We are doing a new ad campaign for Successful Ways and would like your input on the ad below. We are going to run it this weekend and wanted to know if any of the broodmare owners, and others have any suggestions. We are trying to make him reasonable in a competive market without "degrading" him. Please consider we stand him at an outside farm and have board bills and advertising fees to pay. Along with those, we have him on TB times for this year and are running ads in regional track and TB news publications as well as on many websites. We have a strong belief that he is going to be "Successful" as a sire and we will promote him to the best of our ability. He is generating interest and mares are being booked so he is getting known out there. If you hate the ad please tell me in a PM with your comments. We are honest folks and appreciate your help. With all that in mind let me know what you think of the ad. Thanks!

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Postby larrygene » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:02 pm

Way, way, way to busy!!!

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Postby cj55 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:04 pm

Thanks Larrygene,
So how do I fix it? What should I prioritize? Thanks!
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Postby K~2 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:35 pm

Have to agree with larrygene, you're trying to put way too much information into the ad. You've got too many different fonts, and I think the picture might be too dark.

See if you can get it professionally designed. I am very fortunate that I am good friends with a professional graphic designer. :D

Here's an ad that I'm running in a regional magazine.

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Postby cj55 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:59 pm

Thanks K~2,
Very nice ad. I guess, and hope, I will continue learning! You guys are the greatest! I will try to find a graphic ad design person this week! But in case I can't find one in time for the new ad insert this weekend... What do I need to prioritize? Breeding incentives and or pedigree, or? I will change fonts, very good comment. Thanks again!
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Postby bdw0617 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:40 pm

I don't know horses that well but I can write a book on marketing.


that ad has too much going on. if you want some help I would be more than happy to help a fellow pedigreequarian (LOL) out with some possible photoshop work.


about the ad

1) the first byline, undefeated in two starts.. while you are hitting on a positive.. the fact that he is undeated.. you are bringing up a negative...that he only raced twice. No need to punch yourself in a fist fight. If you are going to post anything leave it at "retired undfeated".. but I wouldn't even go there to be honest. I would leave it as "a grade 2 calibur stakes horse"

You are not going to sway any people to him because of his racing record, kyou will do so becuase of his positives which are his pedigree and his looks.. very good looking stallion. so thoose are things you are going to want to focus on and drive home, not his 2 race racing career. Understanding your market. it isn'g going to be the ones looking for hard knocking stallions.. it's going to be the ones looking for deals on horses from good families and good confirmation.. the fact that your horse flashed some talent is GREAT and use it.. but don't highlight. LOL, he beat a horse named MAVEN in his maiden race. Another cookie about that maiden race.. flying first class was scratched from it.


2) you put too much focus on the the negatives and glanced over his best attitube... that he is by Successful appeal. some consider him to be the one of the hottest sires in the country who is defiantly on the up and up

http://www.thoroughbredreview.com/StallionWatch.htm

So you want to play if anything off of the successes of his sire and some of the runners that he has produced. his his dam's sister is the dam of ERINSOUTHERNMAN, who is grade 1 placed


3) don't come off as a begger in your post.. you are trying to SELL the idea that it will be in your clients best interst to at the very least, come look at him. there are 3 lines that you could have saved and used it to post valuable ifnormation about your horse.

what about the fact that closing arguement, a son of successful appeal, kids are looking so good they sent him to kentucky? what about the successful of appealing zophie and dawn after dawn? "While SW's are good you aren't going after a SW market.. you are going after a Bred to race marekt... and Successful appeals are cash cows. they sell good, they race good and they make money

4) the page is too busy. I would loose the red stats on the pedigree section. first of all again.. know your clients.. if someone is looking at successful ways as a stallion.. they aren't newbies. they have been around the block and know both of these families anyway more than likely.. and if they are interested they will come here.

5) I would go with something that doesn't contrast as much as white black red and blue. a) no more than 2 colors should be used.. I liked the other ad in here, classy and gets the point across.

if you wnat some help with the design I can help you. NOt a bad a
d at all but IMHO it can be better.
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Postby cj55 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:55 pm

bdw0617,
Thank you for the time and the excellent critique of my attempt to make an ad :oops: ! Any help with the design would be greatly appreciated! How do I sign up?
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Postby bdw0617 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:20 pm

just pm me the files.. I'll work on it.. any ideas that you may have as well


you did a great job. you really did. I spent 4 and a half years running the marketing campgian of my own company on and off line and squeezing blood out of turnips in national magazine ads and banner ads.. I had to learn how to market and get my point across.. not everyone has that experience and I'm happy to help whenever I can.
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Postby cj55 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:41 pm

Thanks again for trying to make me feel better... but after your valid input it really wasn't that great a job. But at least I was smart enough to run it by the forum before submitting it :lol: . I could not figure out how to PM the file so I emailed it. Just in case you have a spam folder. It will be from cvens@ Let me know how I can ever repay you! Thanks again, cj
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Postby Hold Your Peace » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:44 pm

I think the wording of the ad is fine, I'd just change the fonts and colors because they don't come off that well.

And I would not go with the suggesstion of calling him a Grade II caliber stakes horse because you'd open yourself to ridicule with a statement like that. Tons of Maiden and Allowance winners have tried stakes company and finished last and eventually wound up in claimers. To say that a horse pointing towards a stake was a stakes class horse is a real stretch.

Telling it like it is, "injured while training for the Holy Bull Stakes" is much better. It let's people know that his high class connections thought a lot of him.

Omitting the fact that he made only two starts but still proclaiming him as "undefeated" wouldn't work either. People know, or will look up, a stallions race record and would snicker if someone proclaimed a horse as "retired undefeated" without mentioning that it was after just two starts. Your telling it like it is is much better.

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Postby Archy » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:50 pm

CJ, it is quite busy and hectic looking. I think you should not use so many colors I think two will be sufficient. Drawing attention with italics, bold and change in font size will catch the eye enough.

As I think many points have been made to help you out......I'd like to add one more things. Successful Ways looks like a VERY HANDSOME dark bay, however in the picture that you have with in the ad, his topline (a strong asset of his conformation) is blending into the branches and leaves of the tree behind him. I'd suggest taking another picture of him with as little background as possible. In the middle of the field with blue sky behind him would be great is possible. Brown and light blue compliment each other very well. He'll look really sharp then.

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Postby bdw0617 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:58 pm

cj55 wrote:Thanks again for trying to make me feel better... but after your valid input it really wasn't that great a job. But at least I was smart enough to run it by the forum before submitting it :lol: . I could not figure out how to PM the file so I emailed it. Just in case you have a spam folder. It will be from cvens@ Let me know how I can ever repay you! Thanks again, cj


how the hell does everyoen get my email address?! am I missing something?

email it to [email protected],l I don't check the other one.
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Postby bdw0617 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:03 pm

Hold Your Peace wrote:I think the wording of the ad is fine, I'd just change the fonts and colors because they don't come off that well.

And I would not go with the suggesstion of calling him a Grade II caliber stakes horse because you'd open yourself to ridicule with a statement like that. Tons of Maiden and Allowance winners have tried stakes company and finished last and eventually wound up in claimers. To say that a horse pointing towards a stake was a stakes class horse is a real stretch.

Telling it like it is, "injured while training for the Holy Bull Stakes" is much better. It let's people know that his high class connections thought a lot of him.

Omitting the fact that he made only two starts but still proclaiming him as "undefeated" wouldn't work either. People know, or will look up, a stallions race record and would snicker if someone proclaimed a horse as "retired undefeated" without mentioning that it was after just two starts. Your telling it like it is is much better.



while that's true, again you don't say anything in an ad that is going to degrade yourself. and he was a grade 2 calibur horse. we aren't stupid, it takes a 5 second search to find out he only raced twice, but only saying he was a 2 time winner does not get the point across that he could RUN! saying he was a grade 2 calibur horse, complied by the fact that he ran in a grade 2 race, says it for himself.

straight talk doesn't work in elections and it doesn't work in advertgising. when is the last time microsoft ran an ad that sayd "will have to update 5 times int he enxt year... bugs.... takes up memory resources.. and very hackable".. that's the truth..all of it. And there is nothing not straight about saying what I said, ti's just as much the truth.. he was a grade 2 calibur horse..


the basic premise of selling is to create more value in a item than the price. the buyer has to feel like he is getting a deal and at the very worst, paying fair market value for something before he will buy it. Saying "only raced twicded while he was injuried" does not convey that.
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Postby Archy » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:04 pm

bdw0617 wrote:how the hell does everyoen get my email address?! am I missing something?

email it to [email protected],l I don't check the other one.


I'm guessing that you just push the e-mail button next to you "PM" button and your "profile" button. You also have a "YIm" and "msnm".

Oh, by the way, everyone has your e-mail address now.

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Postby AscotStud » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:16 pm

You seem to be on the right path now. One other thing I would leave out that wasn't mentioned is the sentence about the Introductory fee and supporting the breeders in the future. It's a given that his fee will go up if he gets some runners out of his first crop. But there are very few studs whose fees go up until then. Pretty much it's just something that can be left out, as it isn't really a selling point or has anything to do with the horse. As for rewarding breeders it's something that you will want to use in your ads next year to help bring them back and you can also mention it to those who call and show interest in booking to him, but isn't really something that needs to be on the ad.

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