Pedigree Query

Hi who would you breed Big Brown to?

Would you breed him to La Ville Rouge?, Better Than Honour?, Rags To Riches?, or some other mare and who would that mare be?

Thanks!

-Jordan

one of the hooters girls

No. He has chronic feet issues and his sire was average at best.

Furthermore, his sire had the good runner Minardi, from a spectacular family and known stallion producers, and he did nothing at stud.

I would not breed Big Brown, he would potentially introduce more unneeded weaknesses to the gene pool.

My fear if I was breeding to him would be that whatever the stud fee, 3C will drop next year's fee like a Point Given or War Chant before I was able to sell my foal.

When the farm is dropping the fee by $20,000.00 or so each year it makes it very difficult to make a profit selling. If you wanted to breed to race then that's another story.

I would be somewhat concerned with the steroid use and it's effect on fertility (although 3C will hopefully have covered themselves with appropriate insurance). With Boundary and Nureyev and Danzig as the sire and grandsires in Big Brown's pedigree, I'd worry just a little about fertility.

You know what they say, "if your father was sterile, chances are you'll be sterile too."

hpkingjr wrote:You know what they say, "if your father was sterile, chances are you'll be sterile too."

LOL, if your father was sterile, where did you come from?

LB wrote:

hpkingjr wrote:You know what they say, "if your father was sterile, chances are you'll be sterile too."

LOL, if your father was sterile, where did you come from?

Good catch.

This immediately made me think of Jackie Gleason in Smokey And The Bandit telling his idiot son, "Junior . . . Remind me when we get home to kick your momma in the ass. Because there is NO way you came from my loins".

Maybe not 100% sterile....just a lot of misses and many less hits.

Yeah, I would be concerned about all the steroid use and the chances of decreased fertility.

hpkingjr wrote:My fear if I was breeding to him would be that whatever the stud fee, 3C will drop next year's fee like a Point Given or War Chant before I was able to sell my foal.
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Touche. Point Given is a far more accomplished horse than Big Brown. But he started, I think, at $75K and is now $15K. I wonder - if they had started him at $15K in the first place perhaps it might have been for the best. I can just imagine how many clients, stung after they were left with a mare holding a foal who had just devalued by 50% or more, have a bad taste in their mouth. Ditto War Chant who went from $60K to $20K...

In my opinion, Big Brown is a $10K stud.

Point Given was started at 125k. Just emphasizes the point more.

wallinga wrote:one of the hooters girls

Maybe he has a future in porn?

Nothing against 3C, but wouldn't it be a final irony if BB didn't even like the girls?

If BB doesn't like the girls, War Emblem will be able to give him pointers.

LB wrote:

hpkingjr wrote:You know what they say, "if your father was sterile, chances are you'll be sterile too."

LOL, if your father was sterile, where did you come from?

LB:

LOL, I was trolling. Just checking to see if someone would really read the post. You stepped up.

In a serious thought however with the stallions in Big Brown's pedigree, low or sub fertile like Nureyev and Boundary, I would expect him to have trouble down the road even if he starts off OK.

Breed him to FedEx and you can call the foal FedUp

madelyn wrote:

hpkingjr wrote:My fear if I was breeding to him would be that whatever the stud fee, 3C will drop next year's fee like a Point Given or War Chant before I was able to sell my foal.
........"

Touche. Point Given is a far more accomplished horse than Big Brown. But he started, I think, at $75K and is now $15K. I wonder - if they had started him at $15K in the first place perhaps it might have been for the best. I can just imagine how many clients, stung after they were left with a mare holding a foal who had just devalued by 50% or more, have a bad taste in their mouth. Ditto War Chant who went from $60K to $20K...

In my opinion, Big Brown is a $10K stud.

I think anybody paying upwards of $50k for a first-year horse is crusing for trouble. Either they hit at the sales, or you're stuck with a very expensive bag. The chance of another Seattle Slew is so remote that almost every stallion who starts that high has nowhere to go but down.

Three Chimneys started high with War Chant, Point Given, and now Smart Jones. Sky Mesa started at 30k and is on his way down. I'm sure that if Pure Prize weren't standing for a respectable and good-value $12,500, his full brother Good Reward would have started higher than $12,500. People remember...and if they price Big Brown too high, with his already modest female line and suspect soundness, I can't see him getting much support.