Flame Thrower
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Flame Thrower
What do ya'll think of his chances of being a great stud? I got offered a hell of a deal for a season to him.
hi Derby2004
Great? That's a tough bill to fill...
...but I have seen a number of Flame Throwers (both colt and filly). In general the ones I've seen were very athletic-looking...and easy to like.
Handsome heads...intelligent alert-looking eyes...good quarters...nice balance and proportion...racy types that look like they could be early and fast.
Flame Thrower should be fine...at least regionally...but it wouldn't surprise me if he came up with a good one.
Respectfully
Great? That's a tough bill to fill...
...but I have seen a number of Flame Throwers (both colt and filly). In general the ones I've seen were very athletic-looking...and easy to like.
Handsome heads...intelligent alert-looking eyes...good quarters...nice balance and proportion...racy types that look like they could be early and fast.
Flame Thrower should be fine...at least regionally...but it wouldn't surprise me if he came up with a good one.
Respectfully
hi Derby2004
I suggest that Flame Thrower's female family will have NO affect on you whatsoever if you breed in 2005.
Consider this...if he gets runners...his female family will be a moot point. If he doesn't get runners...his female family will be a moot point.
I suggest that breeding to Flame Thrower in 2005 is a crap-shoot to the extent that...if you breed...you're betting he'll make it...simple as that.
Furthermore...I suggest that his individuals (at least based on what I've seen) offer reason to believe he can make it as a race horse sire...to what extent...we'll know soon enough.
Flame Thrower was one heck of a 2 year-old (he was talented and very game)...who knows...he might very well get that kind.
The decision is yours.
Respectfully
I suggest that Flame Thrower's female family will have NO affect on you whatsoever if you breed in 2005.
Consider this...if he gets runners...his female family will be a moot point. If he doesn't get runners...his female family will be a moot point.
I suggest that breeding to Flame Thrower in 2005 is a crap-shoot to the extent that...if you breed...you're betting he'll make it...simple as that.
Furthermore...I suggest that his individuals (at least based on what I've seen) offer reason to believe he can make it as a race horse sire...to what extent...we'll know soon enough.
Flame Thrower was one heck of a 2 year-old (he was talented and very game)...who knows...he might very well get that kind.
The decision is yours.
Respectfully
Yes, but that's not saying all that much in my opinion. I'd only go with Flame Thrower with Cherokee Felony if the conformation match-up is very good as the Intidab mating has much more going for it on paper and he is already proven as a racehorse sire from very little opportunity.
The only problem with Intidab is that his 2nd and 3rd crops are just about as small as his first; but the small size of his first crop didn't stop him getting a MGSW/G2W and some attention. Not to mention that there's a significantly better chance of one Multiple Graded Stakes Winning G2W at 2 years of age (in this case Greater Good) winning a GI in the next couple years than even 200 unraced yearlings and weanlings (I can't recall how many Flame Thrower had in his first two crops, but it was no way he had more than 100 foals a year).
Not to say that Flame Thrower won't get a GIW in his first couple crops, just that it would be big-time surprise and the chances of Intidab getting a GIW is better so long as Greater Good stays in training.
-llbean
The only problem with Intidab is that his 2nd and 3rd crops are just about as small as his first; but the small size of his first crop didn't stop him getting a MGSW/G2W and some attention. Not to mention that there's a significantly better chance of one Multiple Graded Stakes Winning G2W at 2 years of age (in this case Greater Good) winning a GI in the next couple years than even 200 unraced yearlings and weanlings (I can't recall how many Flame Thrower had in his first two crops, but it was no way he had more than 100 foals a year).
Not to say that Flame Thrower won't get a GIW in his first couple crops, just that it would be big-time surprise and the chances of Intidab getting a GIW is better so long as Greater Good stays in training.
-llbean
Hi Derby2004,
Greater Good has won both his graded victories at 1 1/16, the longest distance he's raced, and has a come from behind style that indicates he should stretch out.
Here's a quote from GG's owner-breeder in the Courier Journal:
"I bred him to be a sprinter, which shows you how much I know about this business," Lakin said. "This guy didn't show us a lot of speed. I sent Bob three horses with this one, and that was the one I didn't think would be much. Good thing he didn't listen to me. Then Bob started telling me, `This guy's all right.' I said, `Well, we'll see.' I'm starting to become a believer."
Right now he's not interested in selling, either.
"There's a lot of interest, but he's kind of special," said Lakin, who is from Chicago. "It's not often you get something like this."
Holthus said races such as the Louisiana Derby and Arkansas Derby will be objectives on what he hopes is a road to the Kentucky Derby.
(This is llbean talking again): The damsire of Greater Good is stamina oriented; but interestingly his 2nd damsire What Luck was by Bold Ruler and out of a Double Jay mare and sired a couple of QH champions.
It seems to me that your mare is more distance oriented than Greater Good's dam on account of Cherokee Colony being by Pleasant Colony and from a Nijinsky mare (not to mention Cornish Prince being more of a stamina influence); but if you really need to win the Belmont Stakes you can either buy Bill's Book or nicely ask him for a conduit mare profile on the Intidab-Cherokee Felony hypo.
-llbean
Greater Good has won both his graded victories at 1 1/16, the longest distance he's raced, and has a come from behind style that indicates he should stretch out.
Here's a quote from GG's owner-breeder in the Courier Journal:
"I bred him to be a sprinter, which shows you how much I know about this business," Lakin said. "This guy didn't show us a lot of speed. I sent Bob three horses with this one, and that was the one I didn't think would be much. Good thing he didn't listen to me. Then Bob started telling me, `This guy's all right.' I said, `Well, we'll see.' I'm starting to become a believer."
Right now he's not interested in selling, either.
"There's a lot of interest, but he's kind of special," said Lakin, who is from Chicago. "It's not often you get something like this."
Holthus said races such as the Louisiana Derby and Arkansas Derby will be objectives on what he hopes is a road to the Kentucky Derby.
(This is llbean talking again): The damsire of Greater Good is stamina oriented; but interestingly his 2nd damsire What Luck was by Bold Ruler and out of a Double Jay mare and sired a couple of QH champions.
It seems to me that your mare is more distance oriented than Greater Good's dam on account of Cherokee Colony being by Pleasant Colony and from a Nijinsky mare (not to mention Cornish Prince being more of a stamina influence); but if you really need to win the Belmont Stakes you can either buy Bill's Book or nicely ask him for a conduit mare profile on the Intidab-Cherokee Felony hypo.
-llbean