Cozzene dead

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Cozzene dead

Postby Morningside » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:39 pm

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... zzene-dead


thank god i got a cozzene little boy before he peaced out...

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Postby Denise » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:43 pm

We are so lucky to have a daughter of his as our "foundation" mare of our little homebred string.
This news made me so sad, especially right after I read that Princess Rooney was euthanized this morning, too.
RIP, beautiful grey champions. :cry:

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Postby ASB » Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:08 pm

A GREAT loss to the world. Greater than most breeders and racing enthusiasts probably realize.

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Postby KBEquine » Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:29 pm

I always wanted a Cozzene . . . At least we had him around as long as we did.

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Postby Jorge » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:43 pm

Who is the most Cozzene-like (in general terms) among his sons?

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Postby ASB » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:48 pm

From a physical perspective, Alphabet Soup is very similar. From a numbers perspective, Mizzen Mast is doing well and is looking like one who will improve.

Unless a Cozzene son comes out of his last few crops, Mizzen Mast and Alphabet Soup are the two major standard bearers with Running Stag doing alright in the Southwest.

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Postby pokeyman » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:48 pm

I don't think Cozzene has a true replacement son...

Both Alphabet Soup (Adena Springs) and especially Mizzen Mast (Juddmonte) have been supported by a strong book of mares early in their careers.

Mizzen Mast has a paltry 41% winners and does not improve his mares like his sire.

Cozzene bred crap at the beginning of his stud career and turned out to be the real deal. The amount Cozzene improves his mares continues to be one of the strongest ratios over the course of several generations.

Now, this is coming from a Cozzene fan and I am so thankful to have bred to him last year and that I now have a super gray colt galloping around the paddock!!

You will find lots of great stallions do not have true replacements at stud (with great numbers in every category).....Rahy, Broad Brush, Lord Avie, Bates Motel, Dynaformer, Lear fan, Theatrical, etc.

However, it only takes one and you never know who the particular horse will be.

I remember Winstar marketing Victory Gallop and Our Emblem. Victory gallop was the big ticket horse in advertising. However, they also stood a Forty Niner bred horse for a measly $10,000 that nobody gave two craps about. That horse turned out to be Distorted Humor!!! So, you just never know!!

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Postby ASB » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:58 pm

Mizzen Mast's AEI has been on the rise all year. His AEI average this year is 1.78 compared to a 1.57 CI. He's only had 3 crops of racing age. And he's done it with crops that were smaller than his peers.

I think he's doing much better than fair.

In time, he could be a very live stallion.

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Postby pokeyman » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:26 pm

ASB wrote:Mizzen Mast's AEI has been on the rise all year. His AEI average this year is 1.78 compared to a 1.57 CI. He's only had 3 crops of racing age. And he's done it with crops that were smaller than his peers.

I think he's doing much better than fair.

In time, he could be a very live stallion.


The most current numbers I have is 1.45 AEI to a 1.57 CI. His median earnings is a low $17,358. I know that there is a lot of "buzz" around him but I think that is more from a pinhooking perspective.

He has 140 runners which is 4th highest in his entire class of 3rd crop sires (150 total). So, he got the mares...numbers wise.

In addition, Eight 3rd crop sires have equalled or surpassed his total number of stakes winners.

Plus, he is getting Juddmonte mares. I hate to keep saying that but they have some of the best mares in the world! LOL

I am always skeptical when stallions start out at Darley, Adena, or Juddmonte as you know some of those mares will be absolutely outstanding to skew the numbers. This is nothing against Mizzen Mast as I feel this way about any stallion from one of the big farms!

For example, his leading runner this year, Mast Track, was bred by Bobby Frankel out of his Graded stakes winning mare that has already produced black type.

I am old school as I love to see a Cozzene, Dynaformer, Saint Ballado, Mr. Prospector, Runaway Groom type that starts out with inferior mares in a Regional market but turn out to be great sires. I know..it's ridiculous!!

However, I hope you are right!!! We need a Cozzene replacement and especially another Outcross sire!!

I am going to geld my Cozzene after much reflection. He does have a great stallion pedigree but there are so many stallions in the world already (his name is Miscoe Gray if you care to check out his pedigree).

I love Cozzene, as well, but maybe my standards are too high as he has certainly raised the bar!!

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Postby ASB » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:56 pm

I was speaking of his 2008 AEI, not his overall AEI.

And you're right, he did get more mares than I remembered.

And although Juddmonte certainly has one of the best broodmare bands in the world, Mizzen Mast's CI of 1.57 is solid but not statistically amazing.

In fact, it's well below or within a tenth of all the name stallions in his crop. So, I certainly wouldn't look at it as a huge advantage he holds over other's.

Juddmonte was too preoccupied in sending every mare on the farm to Empire Maker.

I do hope the Cozzene line continues on. It's the one easily available strain of Caro that doesn't have soundness issues, as a whole.

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Postby pokeyman » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:00 pm

ASB wrote:Juddmonte was too preoccupied in sending every mare on the farm to Empire Maker.



:P :P :P :P *Too funny and I agree!!!*

I hope you are right about Mizzen Mast!

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Postby Elles » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:29 am

I saw Cozzene last June and I saw the melanoma and I thought at the time that it looked quite severe. R.I.P. beautiful boy.

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Postby Denise » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:20 am

I have great hope for Cozzene's son, Rush Bay, who's standing his first season at stud in MD in '09. He's a wonderful outcross for all the speed line mares in the region. I hope he gets a decent book starting out.