Pedigree Query

This is an attempt to stimulate more discussion concerning the Racing Post's recent article that stated that European bloodstock agents are not comfortable/interested in purchasing yearlings from current American bloodlines. Which American sires (or broodmares sires ) do attract their interest?? Two newer sires that seem to have done well with European buyers are Arch and Mizzen Mast . Who else?

The only name I'd add would be Mr. Greeley, and maybe Elusive Quality.

Theatrical, Rahy, Dynaformer, Kingmambo, Giants Causeway

The Tattersalls Newmarket Breeze Up Sale on 4/30-5/1 included 2YO's by: Afleet Alex (2), Arch (4), Bernstein, Broken Vow, Dehere, Dixieland Band (2), Doneraile Court (2), El Corredor, Giant's Causeway, Gone West, Gulch, Johannesburg, Kingmambo, Langfuhr, Lion Heart, Maria's Mon, Medaglia d'Oro, More Than Ready (2), Mr. Greeley, Northern Afleet, Orientate, Pleasantly Perfect, Quiet American, Rahy, Red Ransom, Songandaprayer and Tiznow.

I suppose part of this question depends on what you would call american bloodlines.

Horses like giants causeway and kingmambo although bred in the US and standing in america had almost all of there racing success in europe so it wouldn't be surprising to see them popular with europeans.

Carlo Algatrensig wrote:I suppose part of this question depends on what you would call american bloodlines.

Horses like giants causeway and kingmambo although bred in the US and standing in america had almost all of there racing success in europe so it wouldn't be surprising to see them popular with europeans.

So being bred in the US and standing for stud in the US doesn't constitute American Bloodlines?

Giants Causeway currently #1 sire in America by progeny earnings.
Kingmambo most expensive sire in America.

dublino wrote:Theatrical, Rahy, Dynaformer, Kingmambo, Giants Causeway

Rahy had a heyday in the early naughties, King Mambo and Giant's Causeway seem popular (esp kingmambo) But Giant's Causeway stands at a European Owned stud (which was one of the veiled points of the RP article) Aside from lucarno and Rainbow view, there aren't that many top line Dynaformers. When was the last Theatrical to race in Europe with distinction?

El Prado and MD'O seem to be getting a bit of a following. Awesome Again got some press, War Chant has a G1 winner now.

But how do they compete with Montjeu, Galileo, Cape Cross, Pivotal, Dalakhani, Monsun et al. Not to mention the raft of Danehill sons.

Europe took the best sire line North America has produced and tweaked it to suit themselves and now they don't need american stallions. They can just introduce outside blood when they see fit.

wallinga wrote:
But how do they compete with Montjeu, Galileo, Cape Cross, Pivotal, Dalakhani, Monsun et al. Not to mention the raft of Danehill sons.

They are not american bloodlines?

dublino wrote:

wallinga wrote:
But how do they compete with Montjeu, Galileo, Cape Cross, Pivotal, Dalakhani, Monsun et al. Not to mention the raft of Danehill sons.

They are not american bloodlines?

It depends on how you define "American" bloodlines, doesn't it?

Montjeu is by Sadler's Wells, who was bred in the US, but his damline is predominantly French. Galileo is also by Sadler's Wells, but his dam Urban Sea was a US bred. Cape Cross is the opposite- US on top and French on the bottom. And it goes on.

Toral wrote:

dublino wrote:

wallinga wrote:
But how do they compete with Montjeu, Galileo, Cape Cross, Pivotal, Dalakhani, Monsun et al. Not to mention the raft of Danehill sons.

They are not american bloodlines?

It depends on how you define "American" bloodlines, doesn't it?

Montjeu is by Sadler's Wells, who was bred in the US, but his damline is predominantly French. Galileo is also by Sadler's Wells, but his dam Urban Sea was a US bred. Cape Cross is the opposite- US on top and French on the bottom. And it goes on.

Ok which one of them stands in America and has sired and American dirt stakes horse or champion?

That was my point, these horses have been uber successful in Europe, they stand in Europe, why would European breeders regularly go anywhere else.

the days of Nijinsky, The Minstrel, Lyphard etc standing in the US are long gone.

How do you feel about European bloodlines being sold in the US? Would you buy a Raven's Pass, a Galileo or Cape Cross... if yearlings were offered regularly here in the states?

Bloodlines have being going and forward accross the Atlantic for a long time.That makes it very difficult to define U.S or Euro. I think to answer the question you have to take the question at face value and look at the ones that are standing now that raced in the U.S. I think you have already mentioned those sires. The most successful presently being Mr Greeley,Arch and Elusive Quality.

Any hot tips on the next one. Jim Bolger usually finds them.

I think you will find that Hard Spun will be favoured by Euro trainers/buyers when his stock hit the sales ring.

Sheikh wrote:

Any hot tips on the next one. Jim Bolger usually finds them.

Mizzen Mast is starting to get some good ones. Given that a lot of them have been running long on the lawn, he might be next. Having Juddmonte supporting him doesn't hurt.

I wouldn't be surprised to see either Kitten's Joy or Artie Schiller start to get some attention from European buyers now that El Prado is dead.