Alright, I have choiced narrowed down for Appealing Style. They are:
Pure Precision
Snuck In
Alke
Gimmeawink
Flame Thrower
Sir Cherokee
In everyones opinion, which looks best for sells and racing?
Stallion choices
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Derby, I am not answering your question directly, because I don't know much about the stallion families you mention, or what nicks with Valid Appeal mares, and I'm not into research tonight. However, I looked up your mare's female line, and found that her second dam Life Style bore a grade 1 winner named Total Departure by Greek Answer. He was a Canadian horse from the family of Northern Dancer, and has many of the same ancestors as Vice Regent. I also noted that your mare has Khaled close up, who is a strong factor in pedigrees when found, and was a Horse of the Year. He is present in Wild Again.
In Florida at your stud fee range are two sons of Wild Again out of mares by Deputy Minister or Northern Dancer: Sarava and Wild Event. In particular, I like the match of Appealing Style with Wild Event, who was an excellent turf horse, and sound. He has only two crops on track, but they are doing well. This matchup contains Neartic through Northern Dancer and Icecapade, has Khaled through Bushel-n-Peck and through Correspondent. I hope others will see your post and respond soon with other options.
In Florida at your stud fee range are two sons of Wild Again out of mares by Deputy Minister or Northern Dancer: Sarava and Wild Event. In particular, I like the match of Appealing Style with Wild Event, who was an excellent turf horse, and sound. He has only two crops on track, but they are doing well. This matchup contains Neartic through Northern Dancer and Icecapade, has Khaled through Bushel-n-Peck and through Correspondent. I hope others will see your post and respond soon with other options.
Rocking H
Hi Henthorn and Derby2004,
Greek Answer was not from the family of Northern Dancer; he was rather from the Sunmelia/Princess Camelia family of Captain Steve, Afternoon Deelites, and Sun Again.
And Life Style is not the 2nd dam of Derby2004's mare; significantly, she's the dam of mare herself. (Thanks for pointing that out to me just the same.)
Of those listed, I like Flame Thrower best with this mare; Saint Ballado really liked Bold Ruler and got one of his 5 or 6 GIWs (Champion Peruvian Miler Domingo) from a granddaughter of Valid Appeal.
Plus, Saint Ballado's sire Halo is a very nice nick with Valid Appeal (see Halo's Image and CAN-GI Diablo's Story, a granddaughter of Saint Ballado's full brother Devil's Bad, besides Domingo).
In general, Hail To Reason and Valid Appeal seem to go together quite well also; with an excellent example being the Champion Grass Mare Perfect Sting (who interestly traced back to her 3rd dam Greek Victress, who was the dam of Greek Answer, who as pointed out by Henthorn sired a GIW from Appealing Style's dam, hmm).
Another thing I like about Flame Thrower for the mare is that his sire Captain Bodgit sired the GIW Captain Bodgit from a Greek Answer mare named Answering Echo. Of course, your mare isn't by Greek Answer, she's by Valid Appeal, but her dam threw a GIW to the cover of Greek Answer and thus conformational or genetic (especially conformational) similarities may very well exist between your mare and that stallion (Greek Answer) that nicked so nicely with Flame Thrower's daddy. This is significant.
I also like that it would be 3x5 Manifest/Nasram, who both cross Nasrullah and Tourbillon; and 2x5 Valid Appeal/Miss Patty, who share War Relic, Hyperion, Discovery, Bull Dog, and either Bull Dog's full brother Sir Gallahad or his other full brother Quatre Bras.
BTW, have you booked Cherokee Felony yet? I really liked Intidab with that mare and Madelyn's stallion would also be very good.
-llbean
Greek Answer was not from the family of Northern Dancer; he was rather from the Sunmelia/Princess Camelia family of Captain Steve, Afternoon Deelites, and Sun Again.
And Life Style is not the 2nd dam of Derby2004's mare; significantly, she's the dam of mare herself. (Thanks for pointing that out to me just the same.)
Of those listed, I like Flame Thrower best with this mare; Saint Ballado really liked Bold Ruler and got one of his 5 or 6 GIWs (Champion Peruvian Miler Domingo) from a granddaughter of Valid Appeal.
Plus, Saint Ballado's sire Halo is a very nice nick with Valid Appeal (see Halo's Image and CAN-GI Diablo's Story, a granddaughter of Saint Ballado's full brother Devil's Bad, besides Domingo).
In general, Hail To Reason and Valid Appeal seem to go together quite well also; with an excellent example being the Champion Grass Mare Perfect Sting (who interestly traced back to her 3rd dam Greek Victress, who was the dam of Greek Answer, who as pointed out by Henthorn sired a GIW from Appealing Style's dam, hmm).
Another thing I like about Flame Thrower for the mare is that his sire Captain Bodgit sired the GIW Captain Bodgit from a Greek Answer mare named Answering Echo. Of course, your mare isn't by Greek Answer, she's by Valid Appeal, but her dam threw a GIW to the cover of Greek Answer and thus conformational or genetic (especially conformational) similarities may very well exist between your mare and that stallion (Greek Answer) that nicked so nicely with Flame Thrower's daddy. This is significant.
I also like that it would be 3x5 Manifest/Nasram, who both cross Nasrullah and Tourbillon; and 2x5 Valid Appeal/Miss Patty, who share War Relic, Hyperion, Discovery, Bull Dog, and either Bull Dog's full brother Sir Gallahad or his other full brother Quatre Bras.
BTW, have you booked Cherokee Felony yet? I really liked Intidab with that mare and Madelyn's stallion would also be very good.
-llbean
I gotchya,
Tough choice.
Apealing Style is probably the nicer mare on account of her sire being Valid Appeal and her 1/2 brother being a GIW.
-llbean
Tough choice.
Apealing Style is probably the nicer mare on account of her sire being Valid Appeal and her 1/2 brother being a GIW.
-llbean
Last edited by llbean on Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
llbean, thanks for pointing out that the G1 winner is actually a son of this mare's dam, not of her 2nd dam. However, we chose to discuss different ancestor lines--you the female line, I the male one. You say family of Princess Camelia, and I say family of Northern Dancer.
Derby, I hate to see you skip a year on breeding when the season hasn't even begun. If she were due late, that would be most appropriate. There are a lot of untried stallions out there available for very little money, and many are well-conformed and beautifully bred. There is no reason to believe that an inexpensive unraced stallion will produce poorer progeny just because he is unraced. And it costs you almost as much to keep the mare an extra year open as it does to breed her to a potentially nice stallion.
An example in Texas is Authenticate, the unraced $3.3 million purchase Gone West son out of Lakeway by Seattle Slew, now in his second year at stud. His usual stud fee is $3000 LFG, but I was able to obtain his services for half that through a stallion auction bid. You might want to check some of the websites that have already had season auctions, and see if they have seasons remaining, as did Texas Thoroughbred Association if one was to call their office. I would guess less than 20% of their seasons were sold initially, and I'm sure many other auctions are in the same boat, and will sell a season for minimum bid. Also later in the season, many stallion farms are hurting for cash flow, and cut their fees considerably to get more mares. A word of warning, though; if you get a late season, make sure it's live foal guarantee, so you're not caught holding the bag if she doesn't take.
Derby, I hate to see you skip a year on breeding when the season hasn't even begun. If she were due late, that would be most appropriate. There are a lot of untried stallions out there available for very little money, and many are well-conformed and beautifully bred. There is no reason to believe that an inexpensive unraced stallion will produce poorer progeny just because he is unraced. And it costs you almost as much to keep the mare an extra year open as it does to breed her to a potentially nice stallion.
An example in Texas is Authenticate, the unraced $3.3 million purchase Gone West son out of Lakeway by Seattle Slew, now in his second year at stud. His usual stud fee is $3000 LFG, but I was able to obtain his services for half that through a stallion auction bid. You might want to check some of the websites that have already had season auctions, and see if they have seasons remaining, as did Texas Thoroughbred Association if one was to call their office. I would guess less than 20% of their seasons were sold initially, and I'm sure many other auctions are in the same boat, and will sell a season for minimum bid. Also later in the season, many stallion farms are hurting for cash flow, and cut their fees considerably to get more mares. A word of warning, though; if you get a late season, make sure it's live foal guarantee, so you're not caught holding the bag if she doesn't take.
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