Pedigree Query

I saw this on Twitter via Sid Fernando: "Yonaguska being vetted for Turkey; US connections of Cuvee, Lion Heart, Dehere, and Powerscourt all denied horses were going -- source said."

Anybody know what's up with this? Are they all really secretly going at some point, just not now? Were the connections of the last four just considering it and decided not to?

The Paulick Report had this to say: http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/coolm ... or-turkey/

I may need to make a phone call to Coolmore. I had two mares booked to Dehere and I haven't received any word of him leaving.

ASB wrote:I may need to make a phone call to Coolmore. I had two mares booked to Dehere and I haven't received any word of him leaving.

What happens if it turns out he's going? Do they offer you another stallion on site? How does that even work? I'd imagine some stallions you might've wanted to switch to elsewhere are full. Of course this could all be moot and he's staying, or at least staying til after tis breeding season.

Cuvee has been forsale for a while (so I have been told).

Signed contract or not if the horse is sold it's sold... but at Ashford there are still plenty to go around.

but at Ashford there are still plenty to go around.

If I wanted to breed to a specific stallion I could care less how many stallions a farm has on their roster, I wouldn't breed there just for the sake of it. I would go to my next choice, elsewhere. Ashford is pretty much about numbers and not actually finding the best fit for your mare.

My mare just got approved to Dehere as well and a contract sent out. So, I called right a way when I heard the news....

They said if he is sold I would be released from his contract.

Hope that helps.

I was told a similar thing although the person I spoke to didn't sound as if he was going at all.

My question wasn't if they were going to release the contracts (they would have to) but when they plan on confirming or denying the reports? I mean, the breeding season is just a few weeks away. People need to know what to do with their mares if Dehere really is going.

This is leaving a bad taste in my mouth with multiple mares booked.

ASB wrote:I was told a similar thing although the person I spoke to didn't sound as if he was going at all.

My question wasn't if they were going to release the contracts (they would have to) but when they plan on confirming or denying the reports? I mean, the breeding season is just a few weeks away. People need to know what to do with their mares if Dehere really is going.

This is leaving a bad taste in my mouth with multiple mares booked.

I see your dilemma. If the horse goes, of course they'll "release you" LOL, especially as they'd be the ones who aren't honoring the contract. But if your mare(s) isn't going to their stallion, you need to be able to make other plans. Good luck!

I am actually glad they said they would release me with no conditions. I have talked to other breeders that have said they have been released from a contract only to find that they are REQUIRED to breed to another one of the farm's stallions.

pokeyman wrote:I am actually glad they said they would release me with no conditions. I have talked to other breeders that have said they have been released from a contract only to find that they are REQUIRED to breed to another one of the farm's stallions.

The farm is the one breaking the contract by removing the stallion. At that point whatever option you chose is totally up to you--they have no grounds to require you to do anything. I've never signed a contract that didn't say which particular stallion my mare was going to--not just some random horse at XXX farm. If they fail to produce the stallion named in the contract, then you're out.

What farm has or would require you to breed to another one of their stallions? That is liabilus and a mare owner could sue for damages (if they could prove they were out money from what the results foal and or the mare would have been brought at a sale).

That could also be a very under handed way to get mares to a different stallion. Which could have been a plan by some farm owners. Any vet could sign off that a stallion was hurt or has declining fertility.. but really to be contractually obligated to breed to another stallion??

Crystal wrote:What farm has or would require you to breed to another one of their stallions? That is liabilus and a mare owner could sue for damages (if they could prove they were out money from what the results foal and or the mare would have been brought at a sale).

That could also be a very under handed way to get mares to a different stallion. Which could have been a plan by some farm owners. Any vet could sign off that a stallion was hurt or has declining fertility.. but really to be contractually obligated to breed to another stallion??

I know...that's what I thought when he told me. Yikes!!!!

Yeah, something isn't right about what your friend told you. No regular contract has any bearing of mare responsibility if the stallion is not able to cover for whatever reason.

It's why I said that wasn't my concern.