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Inbreeding

Postby btcountess » Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:54 pm

There was a discussion on FB about a horse that died a week ago at PHA from Colic/UC and someone commented on inbreeding and how so many of those horses break down. Here is a comment from Jane White answering that:
Inbreeding: Some horsemen love it. They say that an inbred filly makes an excellent broodmare and that an inbred colt makes an excellent runner. Research has shown me that the top racehorses in the country, the graded stakes winners, are by and large FREE of inbreeding through 4 generations.

Those horsemen who are against close inbreeding cite soundness and mental issues in the horse, and that "hybrid vigor" is something to be sought by any serious breeder who wants a superior horse which will run well far beyond a few races.

As a representative of 2 fine G1 stakes winning, track record setting millionaires which were themselves not inbred through 4 generations and which are complete outcrosses for Mr. Prospector and Northern Dancer line mares, namely Buzzards Bay by Marco Bay (26 starts) and Fastness (Ire) by Rousillon (24 starts), both standing at Timber Ridge Farm in Felton, PA, www.timberridgefarmpa.com, I certainly have living proof at hand that freedom from Mr. Prospector and Northern Dancer bloodlines were quite effective in producing outstanding, sound runners which each raced to age 6.
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Re: Inbreeding

Postby LB » Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:45 pm

btcountess wrote:There was a discussion on FB about a horse that died a week ago at PHA from Colic/UC and someone commented on inbreeding and how so many of those horses break down. Here is a comment from Jane White answering that:
Inbreeding: Some horsemen love it. They say that an inbred filly makes an excellent broodmare and that an inbred colt makes an excellent runner. Research has shown me that the top racehorses in the country, the graded stakes winners, are by and large FREE of inbreeding through 4 generations.
Those horsemen who are against close inbreeding cite soundness and mental issues in the horse, and that "hybrid vigor" is something to be sought by any serious breeder who wants a superior horse which will run well far beyond a few races.



Seemingly the research was flawed. Examples of recent horses who have inbreeding within the first 4 generations:

Rachel Alexandra
Zenyatta
Quality Road
Blame
Summer Bird

And many more too numerous to list.

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Postby Bohemia » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:26 pm

Even some European-bred horses:

Goldikova (IRE)
Gloria de Campeao (Brz)

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Re: Inbreeding

Postby Fireslam » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:51 pm

LB wrote:
btcountess wrote:There was a discussion on FB about a horse that died a week ago at PHA from Colic/UC and someone commented on inbreeding and how so many of those horses break down. Here is a comment from Jane White answering that:
Inbreeding: Some horsemen love it. They say that an inbred filly makes an excellent broodmare and that an inbred colt makes an excellent runner. Research has shown me that the top racehorses in the country, the graded stakes winners, are by and large FREE of inbreeding through 4 generations.
Those horsemen who are against close inbreeding cite soundness and mental issues in the horse, and that "hybrid vigor" is something to be sought by any serious breeder who wants a superior horse which will run well far beyond a few races.



Seemingly the research was flawed. Examples of recent horses who have inbreeding within the first 4 generations:

Rachel Alexandra
Zenyatta
Quality Road
Blame
Summer Bird

And many more too numerous to list.


There you go again, using facts to confuse the issue. You could have also used Big Brown, Goldikova, Gio Ponti, A.P. Indy, Seattle Slew, Tiznow, Broad Brush, Society Selection, Spain, Hollywood Wildcat, Bayakoa, Winning Colors, Princess Rooney, but theres no point in further confusion.

Im wondering how a discussion about colic turned into a discussion on inbreeding.

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Postby Tappiano » Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:07 am

Word Association ?

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Postby ElPrado » Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:40 am

Well, somehow it gave me indigestion to see this blatant advertising that someone is trying to steal so that they get it free. Does that qualify as colic? It's also full of bushwah.

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Postby Bast » Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:10 pm

Bohemia wrote:Even some European-bred horses:

Goldikova (IRE)
Gloria de Campeao (Brz)


and Makybe Diva

http://www.pedigreequery.com/makybe+diva

5 X 5 X 5 X 5 to Natalma!

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Postby ElPrado » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:32 pm

I hope Louis never sees that. He'd commit hari kari.

On second thought... here, Louis!

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Postby DDT » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:06 pm

What some will do to get a little print. Nothing like plugging your own stallions, so I guess 4X5 is okay with Ms. White?

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