With all the success he has had abroad, you would think there would be one of his sons at stud in the US. North Light in Canada is the only one in the neighborhood. There has been no interest in this line in the states, despite the success of turf types on AW tracks.
I understand that there are a good number of Danehill line stallions in Australia at all price points. Is it a matter simply of the broodmare genetic pool down under?
Might there be some new interest in this line in the US?
jm
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kimberley mine
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The market for turf-only stallions isn't good enough to attract one over. Even the turfy big guns in Kentucky of present and recent past--Dynaformer, El Prado, Kingmambo, Street Cry, Giants Causeway--have thrown serious dirt horses as well, with enough frequency to not get stuck with the turf-only label.
hi Joltman...hi kimberley mine
Talk about special
...Danehill was one HELLUVA sire !!!
His sons may not have captured the imagination in the USA...but, there's plenty of time for Danehill daughters to produce top-class colts that excell at the highest level in the USA...and, it's not difficult to imagine that one (or more) of those (depending on what he/they accomplish at the races and who he's/they're by) may spark genuine interest in the USA as a stallion prospect...be retired to stud at a premier facility in the USA...be offered a quality opportunity...and be successful Big-time.
I'd submit that the final chapter on Danehill's influence has yet to be written.
Best to ya.
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Talk about special
...Danehill was one HELLUVA sire !!!
His sons may not have captured the imagination in the USA...but, there's plenty of time for Danehill daughters to produce top-class colts that excell at the highest level in the USA...and, it's not difficult to imagine that one (or more) of those (depending on what he/they accomplish at the races and who he's/they're by) may spark genuine interest in the USA as a stallion prospect...be retired to stud at a premier facility in the USA...be offered a quality opportunity...and be successful Big-time.
I'd submit that the final chapter on Danehill's influence has yet to be written.
Best to ya.
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There not a great deal of expanded information on Danehill progeny in AUS, but this might be of interest.
http://www.sydneyracing.com.au/article. ... ticle=3728
This too.
http://www.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/i ... performers
Must be the water downunder.
http://www.sydneyracing.com.au/article. ... ticle=3728
This too.
http://www.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/i ... performers
Must be the water downunder.
Danehill and his sons are everywhere down there. That some of the top Euros shuttled to Aussie land really improved their overall quality, not to say they didn't have a lot going in, even back to the great Phar Lap. They are world class and I think if the Austalasians started travelling more to the US, the Aus/NZ horses could make a real mark here.
That the Danehill line is hitting home runs down there is a given. Why not here, even if a good percent wound up heading south or to Europe, like the Giants Causeways and Rahys.
jm
That the Danehill line is hitting home runs down there is a given. Why not here, even if a good percent wound up heading south or to Europe, like the Giants Causeways and Rahys.
jm
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It's probably just a matter of time. After all, Sadler's Wells wasn't cutting much mustard as a sire of sires here for all his prowess in Europe until El Prado and his son Medaglia d'Oro established a successful American branch. Sooner or later a good Danehill-line horse will go to stud here and be a success.
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The bigger issue, IMHO, is too many rely on nicks and since there are NO nicks to speak of for Danehill crossed with many mares with American pedigrees the ratings would be awful.
A son of El Prado who stands HERE is an A+++ with my mare but take one who is in Europe and it's a D or even an F.
And yes, I would HOPE that people would not rely on that information to make a decision but the reality is they would not be in business if it were unprofitable so unfortunately too many do.
With all the inbreeding to ND through Danzig and other sons I'd be curious how many in Europe are through Danehill and Sadlers Wells. That's a slightly different question but maybe this is a good thread to discuss it?
A son of El Prado who stands HERE is an A+++ with my mare but take one who is in Europe and it's a D or even an F.
And yes, I would HOPE that people would not rely on that information to make a decision but the reality is they would not be in business if it were unprofitable so unfortunately too many do.
With all the inbreeding to ND through Danzig and other sons I'd be curious how many in Europe are through Danehill and Sadlers Wells. That's a slightly different question but maybe this is a good thread to discuss it?
FOS wrote:hi TappianoTappiano wrote:The bigger issue, IMHO, is too many rely on nicks ...
That's an A+++ bull's-eye...as far as I'm concerned
Based on my experience, this is far from true.
People who talk about horses on the internet talk a lot about nicks...because generally they don't have horses. People who have actual horses (mares and stallions) standing in front of them, talk about what's right in front of them.
In a normal year, I probably discuss matings with 50+ breeders. It usually takes a while for those conversations to work their away around to nicking--if indeed it ever does. Sure nicks get factored in, it's a useful tool. But it's just one small part of the decision making process.
Tappiano wrote:The bigger issue, IMHO, is too many rely on nicks and since there are NO nicks to speak of for Danehill crossed with many mares with American pedigrees the ratings would be awful.
I'm not sure about the algorithms that produce the Nick numbers, but as an exercise I ran a True Nicks on my mare with Lucky Owners (NZ) which came up A++. What was questionable to me was the statement, "HYPOTHETICAL...based on the cross of Lucky Owners/Mr. Prospector and His sons." So one would think that the multitude of MP daughters would get a similar rating? Maybe Byron could weigh in on this.
A lot of mare owners would give consideration of an A++ Danehill line option. That said, as even the Nicks people say, they are only one tool in the toolbox. I think its a tool overused, like using a screwdriver to drive in a nail.
Would be interesting if an Aussie Danehill line stallion shuttled north in the 'off season'
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I took the dam of Flashpoint and ran hypos...
Danehill Dancer x any mare with Mr. Prospector is a D+ rating.
Galileo is a D rating because of Mr Prospector
Dylan thomas is a C, probably because Diesis had some + influence
Rip Van Winkle is a D... and this one has inbreeding to Mr. Prospector
Rock of Gibraltor is a C.
Same mare to some American based Danzig line stallions.
Big Brown A
Exchange Rate A
war Chant B
So now if you decided to bring over any of the above, how do you explain that a nick that you offer on your website as a TOOL to help breeders would be a waste for subject stallion? I do not and would never rely on a nick but again, to reiterate, someone is giving them enough money to make it worth their while to keep pushing it. Maybe 100% of the people you know laugh about nicks and would be lining up to breed regardless but in a commercial based society someone would still want to know. It's not a whole lot different than advertising that the only good trait a certain other stallion has is a large heart... those who are aware of what it is are aware there are plenty of other stallions that have it but they don't need to use it as a marketing tool to fill the books.
And I believe whoever mentioned Sunday Silence, the reality was they could not get enough of a commitment around the time the offer came in. would he have done well here, who knows. There is enough Halo blood around to say he would have, but the gene pool over there at that time was almost all Northern Dancer through Northern Taste that they really needed a total outcross. Now, they do again, but that's because almost everything is Sunday Silence.
Danehill Dancer x any mare with Mr. Prospector is a D+ rating.
Galileo is a D rating because of Mr Prospector
Dylan thomas is a C, probably because Diesis had some + influence
Rip Van Winkle is a D... and this one has inbreeding to Mr. Prospector
Rock of Gibraltor is a C.
Same mare to some American based Danzig line stallions.
Big Brown A
Exchange Rate A
war Chant B
So now if you decided to bring over any of the above, how do you explain that a nick that you offer on your website as a TOOL to help breeders would be a waste for subject stallion? I do not and would never rely on a nick but again, to reiterate, someone is giving them enough money to make it worth their while to keep pushing it. Maybe 100% of the people you know laugh about nicks and would be lining up to breed regardless but in a commercial based society someone would still want to know. It's not a whole lot different than advertising that the only good trait a certain other stallion has is a large heart... those who are aware of what it is are aware there are plenty of other stallions that have it but they don't need to use it as a marketing tool to fill the books.
And I believe whoever mentioned Sunday Silence, the reality was they could not get enough of a commitment around the time the offer came in. would he have done well here, who knows. There is enough Halo blood around to say he would have, but the gene pool over there at that time was almost all Northern Dancer through Northern Taste that they really needed a total outcross. Now, they do again, but that's because almost everything is Sunday Silence.