Prospect Bay

griff · Postby **griff** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:28 am

Prospect Bay had 5 starters @ Chales Town so far this year with 4 wins.

The fastest horse in NA in 1996 and this will be his last year at stud.

griff

da hossman · Postby **da hossman** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:00 pm

I loved him so much as a racehorse (blinding speed) that I was one of the initial shareholders. Although the share was profitable for me, I don't know that I have ever been so relieved as I was when PBay was sold to VA interests.

Brilliantly fast, good physical, out of a great mare, good physical foals/yearlings, unfortunately his progeny never ran as well as expected.

The stallion game is tough - over the years only 1 out of 9 stallions that start their career in KY are still in KY 6 years later.

griff · Postby **griff** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:35 pm

Agree it's a tuff game..I stood Big Excitement in LA for a vert short period.

PB was #1 stallion in VA for years and he's making money for the lady that is standing him WV; i.e., she gets a 10% stallion bonus all his get's winnings in WV races.

I have a cryptoclearance mare in-foal to him for 2012. And I'm breeding Legitimada to him this year. We had her in-foal to PB last year but she lost it along the way.. She was 12 YO before I bred her and I'm suret that is at least part of the problem. She'l be on regumate from the day she is checked in foal to a couple of weeks before she is due this time..

I like PB and often wondered why his racing career was so short.. I believe he was on the borad ever time he ran.

Also, I'm not sure why his VA owner is retiring his as he is still very fertile.

Anyway, I like him with mares like Legitimads that need a dose of Mr P and he brings danzig along as a bonus.

griff

griff · Postby **griff** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:22 pm

da hossman

why did Prospect Retire so early, never having been off the board??

griff

Fireslam · Postby **Fireslam** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:38 pm

Prospect Bay is listed at Jockey Club as breeding no mares in 2011, bred 8 in 2010, and 8 in 2009. He's 20 years old, so theres not much upside there. Winners of $5,000 Maiden Claimers at Charlestown dont inspire much hope.

griff · Postby **griff** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:50 pm

I have a mare that is in-foal to Prospect Bay for 2012.

Also, I have not looked but I don't think the four of five that won since 01/01/2012 were not all C5000

What are you running this year and where??

griff

Bast · Postby **Bast** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:56 pm

griff wrote:I have a mare that is in-foal to Prospect Bay for 2012.

Also, I have not looked but I don't think the four of five that won since 01/01/2012 were not all C5000

What are you running this year and where??

griff

Why don't you stand the horse yourself?

griff · Postby **griff** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:06 am

Bast

How many are you standing??

Also. how many do you have running this year? or last year.

AS to why I don't stand him; first I don't own him and the owners have decided to retire him.

second I stood a TB once, Big Excitement, and as da hossman says it's a tuff game, a very tuff game. too tuff for me. Have you ever trued it?

third, I don't like stallions. I have never started a colt yet and probably never will.

I'm a WV & PA Breeder and racer and I don't pretend to be anything else.

And, there is money to made in both states with their breeder, owner and stallion owner programs.. How did you do last year?

I checked with the farm that is standing Prospect Bay and he covered 10 mares last year and all 10 checked in foal.. Not bad for a 20 YO stallion..

I once had a college professor tell our class that; "those that can, do; those that can't do, teach; those that can't teach write text books and those that can't write come up with make believe stable and advise the doers how to breed and race their horses.

I look at a stallion like Giants Causeway, who I would love to able to afford, and find that around half his get never win a race..then I hear people make excuses that his get run in higher class races than Charles Town or Penn national . Then I think to myself, if I had a Giants Causeway that could not make it in the big time, I believe I would move him down a a notch or two before I would declare my Giants Causeway a total looser.

griff

Fireslam · Postby **Fireslam** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:11 am

The Jockey Club doesnt list this horse as breeding any mares this past year. Maybe they didnt report them? The 4 winners that I can find were 2 Maiden $10,000 and 2 Maiden $5,000. Hardly the type results to inspire people to send mares to him. Hopefully he will have a good retirement.

Bast · Postby **Bast** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:17 am

griff wrote:Bast

How many are you standing??

Also. how many do you have running this year? or last year.

AS to why I don't stand him; first I don't own him and the owners have decided to retire him.

second I stood a TB once, Big Excitement, and as da hossman says it's a tuff game, a very tuff game. too tuff for me. Have you ever trued it?

third, I don't like stallions. I have never started a colt yet and probably never will.

I'm a WV & PA Breeder and racer and I don't pretend to be anything else.

And, there is money to made in both states with their breeder, owner and stallion owner programs.. How did you do last year?

I checked with the farm that is standing Prospect Bay and he covered 10 mares last year and all 10 checked in foal.. Not bad for a 20 YO stallion..

I once had a college professor tell our class that; "those that can, do; those that can't do, teach; those that can't teach write text books and those that can't write come up with make believe stable and advise the doers how to breed and race their horses.

I look at a stallion like Giants Causeway, who I would love to able to afford, and find that around half his get never win a race..then I hear people make excuses that his get run in higher class races than Charles Town or Penn national . Then I think to myself, if I had a Giants Causeway that could not make it in the big time, I believe I would move him down a a notch or two before I would declare my Giants Causeway a total looser.

griff

None. But I don't own any mares, either.

griff · Postby **griff** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:54 am

Prospect Bay had his 6th starter for 2012 a couple of nights ago at Mountaineer winning his MSW.

I believe that is five winners out of 6 horses that have started this year and the non winner has placed 2nd and 3rd in allowance races.

Not bad for a 20 some year old that is going to retire next year. He covered my mare Legitimada once and she is in-foal. And my Cryptoclearance mare is due to foal her Prospect Bay in May.

Did not make it in KY but seems to be holding up well as a good producing regional stallion.

griff

Fireslam · Postby **Fireslam** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:20 pm

Actually thats 8 starters, 5 winners, year to date earnings of $51,032.

griff · Postby **griff** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:57 pm

thanks Fireslam

i'll get back to my source with this correction.

Still please Legitimada is in-foal to him.. She had 64 starts in 6+ years and averaged about $3,000 per start. PB was really fast and I'm hoping he'll pass that speed and I'll get something that runs for a while ands runs fast.

thanks again

griff