I've been doing a spreadsheet from the 2011 General Sire List, and it's tedious work. I'm calculating percentages of winners, stakes winners and graded stakes winners for each of the stallions, and while it's very interesting, I'm thinking there must be somewhere that has already done all the work. I've been working on this all day, and have only gotten up to #36.
Anyone know where that might be--free and on the internet?
Who knew that Ghostzapper was such a good sire by percentages?
Stallion stats from the General Sire List--More questions
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Stallion stats from the General Sire List--More questions
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Viney, when your are on the BloodHorse General Sire List, click on the horse's name. That will take you to the stallion's BH Stallion Register page (if he's currently standing in the U.S.) Then click the link on the right side in the box where it says "Statistical Summary (PDF)"
I believe that report will give you most, if not all, of the information you're looking for.
I believe that report will give you most, if not all, of the information you're looking for.
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Thanks for the help. The General Sire List doesn't quite have what I'm doing, which is getting the percentages of winners, stakes winners and graded stakes winners from starters and not foals of racing age. But the lifetime numbers are VERY helpful. This makes things much, much easier.
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OK, here's another thing to try:
Go to a horse's (BH) stallion page. Just below the picture it says "Compare X Stallion to" and you can choose two other horses--so you get the stats for 3 stallions at a time.
The lists that appear there (in the comparison) give # of foals, # of runners and winners, # of stakes winners and graded stakes winners. It's all right there which makes it easy to figure out the percentages.
Go to a horse's (BH) stallion page. Just below the picture it says "Compare X Stallion to" and you can choose two other horses--so you get the stats for 3 stallions at a time.
The lists that appear there (in the comparison) give # of foals, # of runners and winners, # of stakes winners and graded stakes winners. It's all right there which makes it easy to figure out the percentages.
Viney,
Take a look at http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/members/sire_stats/sire_lists/ and see if they have the info you need.
Take a look at http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/members/sire_stats/sire_lists/ and see if they have the info you need.
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Okay, another question.
The ending 2011 TDN General Sire List has numbers up to January 1, 2012. The Blood Horse list for 2011 has numbers up to January 17th, 2012.
The numbers for Distorted Humor are very different in the two lists. In fact, most of the numbers that I've run from Blood Horse would be different using the TDN numbers.
Example--TDN has Distorted Humor with 242 runners and 122 winners. The Blood Horse list has him with 249 runners and 127 winners. Could 17 days in January make such a difference? TDN would give him a winning percentage of 50.4, while the Blood Horse numbers give him a winning percentage of 51%. TDN has Dynaformer with 180 runners and 80 winners. The Blood Horse has him with 190 runners and 90 winners.
Another question--Many, if not most, American sires on the Blood Horse leading sire list all are very, very close to 50% winners, with quite a few exceptions. Many are well over. The leading Europeans on the TDN sire list have similar runner numbers, but a much lower percentage of winners. Galileo has 294 runners and 115 winners, but he's the TDN leading sire by earnings. Montjeu, TDN #3 and now sadly deceased, had 213 runners and 85 winners. Both are well under 50%. In fact, only one sire based in in Europe has a 50% winner rate, and that one was Lomitas who had 44 winners out of 84 foals in Germany on the TDN list. He's now dead.
I've always thought that 50% winners was a benchmark for a good sire. Galileo, Montjeu and Giant's Causeway are supposed to be the best in the world. None of them hit the 50% mark. Is it just that they sire classic horses that win buckets of money, even though fewer of them are winners?
The ending 2011 TDN General Sire List has numbers up to January 1, 2012. The Blood Horse list for 2011 has numbers up to January 17th, 2012.
The numbers for Distorted Humor are very different in the two lists. In fact, most of the numbers that I've run from Blood Horse would be different using the TDN numbers.
Example--TDN has Distorted Humor with 242 runners and 122 winners. The Blood Horse list has him with 249 runners and 127 winners. Could 17 days in January make such a difference? TDN would give him a winning percentage of 50.4, while the Blood Horse numbers give him a winning percentage of 51%. TDN has Dynaformer with 180 runners and 80 winners. The Blood Horse has him with 190 runners and 90 winners.
Another question--Many, if not most, American sires on the Blood Horse leading sire list all are very, very close to 50% winners, with quite a few exceptions. Many are well over. The leading Europeans on the TDN sire list have similar runner numbers, but a much lower percentage of winners. Galileo has 294 runners and 115 winners, but he's the TDN leading sire by earnings. Montjeu, TDN #3 and now sadly deceased, had 213 runners and 85 winners. Both are well under 50%. In fact, only one sire based in in Europe has a 50% winner rate, and that one was Lomitas who had 44 winners out of 84 foals in Germany on the TDN list. He's now dead.
I've always thought that 50% winners was a benchmark for a good sire. Galileo, Montjeu and Giant's Causeway are supposed to be the best in the world. None of them hit the 50% mark. Is it just that they sire classic horses that win buckets of money, even though fewer of them are winners?
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