Please explain this to me...

Cree · Postby **Cree** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:15 pm

Ok, it's obvious he was fast...but 1 start? REALLY?

http://equibase.com/profiles/Results.cf ... registry=T

And now going to Hill N Dale?

ct2346 · Postby **ct2346** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:00 pm

For $6500 no less. I'm sure they'll get a few though....

Barcaldine · Postby **Barcaldine** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:45 pm

The Santa Anita track surface was exceptionally fast in March, 2011. In fact, on the day he won his only start cheap claimers ran almost as fast:

http://equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFChart ... &STYLE=EQB

To run 1:07 2/5 on that day on that track would be tantamount to running 1:09 2/5 at Aqueduct on the same day. Good, but not great.

To top it off, he's closely inbred to MR. P, once through UNBRIDLED'S SONG, so his soundness is beyond circumspect.

I wouldn't touch him, but then again, Im not breeding for the pinhookers. Breeders who are looking for a stallion capable of siring 2yo sales horses who can break :10 seconds for an 1/8th should flock to this horse. But dont expect to improve your mare, or earn many breeders awards.

Cree · Postby **Cree** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:52 pm

I find it revolting. He won a MSW. Only race he ever ran. 6 furlongs. Did any of the horses that he beat, do anything?

The industry whines and complains about breakdowns and what to do with unwanted horses, about how the North American breed has turned into these sprinter types, we'll never see a Triple Crown winner ever again, etc. etc. etc.

And then, a horse like this, goes to a top Kentucky farm. Ugh. :roll:

Barcaldine · Postby **Barcaldine** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:29 pm

I just took a peak at his extended pedigree and noticed that he carries a third cross of MR. P through GONE WEST. That's a total of three duplications. A surefire recipe for unsoundness.

IMO this horse's only hope of siring racehorses whose careers arent also over in 67.4 seconds is if he is bred to very tough mares, preferably inbred to Northern Dancer.

But $6500 live foal is highway robbery. And at one of the least liked farms in Kentucky, too.

dublino · Postby **dublino** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:56 am

Whats the problem?

He is undefeated at the track, more than can be said for The Green Monkey.

He got a beyer speed figure of 114 did Kitalpha ever get one of those?

Those are just two of the worst stallion prospects in America that people were touting on here.

He has shown a ton of speed and his dam was a multiple Graded stakes performer.

Family includes Mining, Miss Shop (millionaire) and the 2 year old colt Power Broker who just won a G1.

Family has shown a likening for Northern Dancer and AP Indy Bloodlines.

Whats the problem, or am I seeing something different?

Toccet02 · Postby **Toccet02** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:00 am

breaking a shin bone after one start; that's the problem.

LB · Postby LB » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:22 am

Toccet02 wrote:breaking a shin bone after one start; that's the problem.

The splint bone and the shin bone are two very different things. Maclean's Music fractured his splint bone.

Toccet02 · Postby **Toccet02** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:01 am

argh, yes you are right, my apologies. THOUGHT splint, wrote Shin. :oops:

Toccet02 · Postby **Toccet02** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:02 am

Toccet02 wrote:argh, yes you are right, my apologies. THOUGHT splint, wrote Shin.

But I STILL have a problem with him breaking anything so early on--soundness is of paramount importance to me.

Cree · Postby **Cree** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:14 am

Was the broken splint the reason for retirement? Why didn't/couldn't he make any more starts?

Anyway, I don't really consider The Green Monkey a stallion prospect either. This industry confuses me.

Soundness should be at the top of the list, AND speed, AND stamina. Pedigree and conformation play a part too. But, if the industry really wants to produce horses that last longer than ONE start, they should think twice about standing a horse like Maclean's Music.

Just my 2 cents.

Sysonby · Postby **Sysonby** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:29 pm

So Cree what do you think about Malibu Moon? Should he not have done to stud? How was he any different than this horse?

Cree · Postby **Cree** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:23 pm

Sysonby, I would think Malibu Moon is an exception.

And like I said...[i]"The industry whines and complains about breakdowns and what to do with unwanted horses, about how the North American breed has turned into these sprinter types, we'll never see a Triple Crown winner ever again, etc. etc. etc."[/i]

Zahrah · Postby **Zahrah** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:01 pm

Cree wrote:Sysonby, I would think Malibu Moon is an exception.[/i]

But he got the chance, as did Red Ransom, Danzig, Aferd, Atan, etc.

Cree · Postby **Cree** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:54 pm

I am talking about infusing some soundness into this breed, that appears to be getting more and more fragile, at least according to the media.

So, maybe he turns out to be the next Danzig or Malibu Moon. To me, these fast, well-bred, unsound horses are a dime a dozen. What makes him so special? He broke a record for a very short distance and never raced again. How is that appealing?

I know I'll probably get some backlash for saying all of this, I am sure the pinhookers will do well with his fast, precocious babies. Then people will continue to complain about the butchering of babies at these 2-year-old sales. Vicious cycle.

I own a horse that won at 2 miles and an eighth. To me, he's a rare breed.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world"- Gandhi