Drosselmeyer

vallygirl927 · Postby **vallygirl927** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:23 pm

Anyone seen Drosselmeyer in person?

Tappiano · Postby **Tappiano** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:46 pm

He's rather small...not small as in Birdstone small but when I saw him a year ago there wasn't a lot of height and width to him. He might have matured since then.

erhrdt3 · Postby **erhrdt3** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:56 pm

I was just called by Winstar a few days regarding him. I have loved Drosselmeyer for a long time. A gorgeous horse.

The only thing I do not understand is why the new stallions have the highest stud fees. Gimme a break. Actually, they said they would as my mare nicks well with him, but I want to see some of his foals and what they sell for first.

I'm getting mad at some of these other farms, NAMELY Lane's End in Texas. Been trying to find out about Grasshopper and they promise me the world but don't deliver. What the hell?

Fireslam · Postby **Fireslam** » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:02 pm

Theres a NG season to Drosselmeyer at the Fl. Farm Managers auction on Starquine. I think the bid is at $3,000.

Tappiano · Postby **Tappiano** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:12 am

erhrdt3 wrote:I was just called by Winstar a few days regarding him. I have loved Drosselmeyer for a long time. A gorgeous horse.

The only thing I do not understand is why the new stallions have the highest stud fees. Gimme a break. Actually, they said they would as my mare nicks well with him, but I want to see some of his foals and what they sell for first.

I'm getting mad at some of these other farms, NAMELY Lane's End in Texas. Been trying to find out about Grasshopper and they promise me the world but don't deliver. What the hell?

Apparently breeders are willing to pay the price knowing that the commercial buyer will "buy in" to the dream of the unproven. They have not proven they can sire runners but they have not proven the opposite either.

erhrdt3 · Postby **erhrdt3** » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:30 am

exactly, that's why I am not going to do anything. The only thing is, instead of breeding MY mare and creating more horses, it said on his website he's already been bred to over 100 mares. I would rather look at them, check the nicking, check everything, and I bet I could get one cheaper at the sales than what the stud fee is.

LB · Postby LB » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:57 am

Tappiano wrote:Apparently breeders are willing to pay the price knowing that the commercial buyer will "buy in" to the dream of the unproven. They have not proven they can sire runners but they have not proven the opposite either.

Unproven is no longer a commercial play and hasn't been since the economics of the industry changed in 2008. The appeal of the new horse is that--with a stallion whose potential a breeder really believes in--he can get to the horse now at an affordable price. Once the stallion is successful (assuming he is) his stud fee will shoot up.

LB · Postby LB » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:03 am

erhrdt3 wrote:exactly, that's why I am not going to do anything. The only thing is, instead of breeding MY mare and creating more horses, it said on his website he's already been bred to over 100 mares. I would rather look at them, check the nicking, check everything, and I bet I could get one cheaper at the sales than what the stud fee is.

The same will be true of any stallion in any stud fee range from Bernardini on down. There will always be a few offspring that don't turn out as hoped and can be picked up cheaply at the sales. If price is your only criteria, you'd be much better off shopping than breeding.

dublino · Postby **dublino** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:49 am

LB wrote:Unproven is no longer a commercial play and hasn't been since the economics of the industry changed in 2008. The appeal of the new horse is that--with a stallion whose potential a breeder really believes in--he can get to the horse now at an affordable price. Once the stallion is successful (assuming he is) his stud fee will shoot up.

I thought the stud fee was the cheapest part of the equation?

Sysonby · Postby **Sysonby** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:20 am

LB wrote:
Tappiano wrote:Apparently breeders are willing to pay the price knowing that the commercial buyer will "buy in" to the dream of the unproven. They have not proven they can sire runners but they have not proven the opposite either.

Unproven is no longer a commercial play and hasn't been since the economics of the industry changed in 2008. The appeal of the new horse is that--with a stallion whose potential a breeder really believes in--he can get to the horse now at an affordable price. Once the stallion is successful (assuming he is) his stud fee will shoot up.

That is why there are so many "share the upside" programs out there right now. Those programs are great IF there is an upside. But the danger is locking your mare or mares into a bad stallion for years. Mares don't get that many chances to prove themselves.

LB · Postby LB » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:44 am

dublino wrote:
LB wrote:Unproven is no longer a commercial play and hasn't been since the economics of the industry changed in 2008. The appeal of the new horse is that--with a stallion whose potential a breeder really believes in--he can get to the horse now at an affordable price. Once the stallion is successful (assuming he is) his stud fee will shoot up.

I thought the stud fee was the cheapest part of the equation?

That depends on the stud fee, doesn't it? For someone breeding to Street Cry or Distorted Humor or Tapit, the stud fee is a huge expense. And by the way, all three of those top stallions were once very affordable--before they were proven.

erhrdt3 · Postby **erhrdt3** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:16 am

And what totally sucks is my mare is an A++ with Tapit. Who wants to spend that kind of money though. I wonder if the farms with these big stallions give you a discount for a good nick with the mare? Anyone know?

Fireslam · Postby **Fireslam** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:52 am

Theres thousands of mares that are an A++ with Tapit, or any other top sire. It gives no leverage to get into those kinds of horses. Graded stakes winners or producers are what they want. Tapit's book was closed a long time ago; plenty of people are willing to pay the money to him.

dublino · Postby **dublino** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:21 am

LB wrote:That depends on the stud fee, doesn't it? For someone breeding to Street Cry or Distorted Humor or Tapit, the stud fee is a huge expense. And by the way, all three of those top stallions were once very affordable--before they were proven.

Nope, you have a Havre de Grace or Rachel Alexandra or any other graded winning mare, she only has 1 foal a year.

The stud fee is the least expensive part of the equation.

LB · Postby LB » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:09 am

dublino wrote:
LB wrote:That depends on the stud fee, doesn't it? For someone breeding to Street Cry or Distorted Humor or Tapit, the stud fee is a huge expense. And by the way, all three of those top stallions were once very affordable--before they were proven.

Nope, you have a Havre de Grace or Rachel Alexandra or any other graded winning mare, she only has 1 foal a year.

The stud fee is the least expensive part of the equation.

There are only a handful of mares of that calibre in the world. For the rest of us, the stud fee/value-of-broodmare equation looks very different.

This thread is about Drosselmeyer (stud fee $17,500). It's unlikely that he'll be seeing any 10 million dollar mares.